Let's stop ignoring this: no priority of party members resolving

Over a year since launch, we've been asking the developers for two things:

Put priority on having party members resolve for large events so that we can actually raise/heal them.

Add a UI function that greys out, or visually shows us, which party members are too far away to be clicked on.


Please look into it.

Totally Agree !!!!

Hate to say it, but anything regarding UI in SE words: "due to how memory works on the consoles......., we are looking for ways to implement this".

In nice community words: "the PS3, a 2006 released console, holds back mandatory UI features".

In normal community words.. Wait never mind.

I hope this and many other basic UI things get implemented. Over a year is way too long.

Nay.

PS3 limitations.

Oh, please not that.
I really dont like the auto sort un dungeon and there since there is no way to disable it. I don't want it in open world.

Um people who are crying PS3 limitation ya'll realize that the PS3 UI and the PC UI aren't the same already?

Like say the PS3 lack of hotbars (cross you crossbar!). If they wanted to they could probably fix it they just don't want to.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Over a year since launch, we've been asking the developers for two things:

Put priority on having party members resolve for large events so that we can actually raise/heal them.

Add a UI function that greys out, or visually shows us, which party members are too far away to be clicked on.


Please look into it.

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Yes yes! please!!! Also SE has already said PS3 will be dropped at some point so let the UI functions rain in!

Well, they did just add the visual sound accessibility option which is a feature not present on the PS3. Maybe more things exclusive to PC will be added.

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Originally Posted by Ravno

Oh, please not that.
I really dont like the auto sort un dungeon and there since there is no way to disable it. I don't want it in open world.

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What do you not like about it? I find it really handy to have my healers at the top of the list on BRD and my tanks up top on WHM and SCH. Being able to glance at one spot to check MP/HP is much nicer than scanning a list :O

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Put priority on having party members resolve for large events so that we can actually raise/heal them.

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What does this actually mean to say?

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Originally Posted by Ravno

Oh, please not that.
I really dont like the auto sort un dungeon and there since there is no way to disable it. I don't want it in open world.

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Huh? Automatic party ordering is already in the open world... and you can still manually sort, can't you? (If I'm misunderstanding your post, please forgive me)

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

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He wants party members to show up in giant groups of hundreds of players. As it currently stands healers are unable to cast upon unlucky members who don't appear due to limitations.

As a healer not clicking on someone just to find out that they are to far is one of the things that made me go wtf?

I hope they add these options asap.

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Originally Posted by Ravno

Oh, please not that.
I really dont like the auto sort un dungeon and there since there is no way to disable it. I don't want it in open world.

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You know you can change the order it auto sorts in right? Before they added that your party sorted randomly every time you entered an instance. So if you did turn 5 for 40mom, exited and repaired and went back in you had to rearrange again. If you had macros based on party number you had to constantly rearrange your party to use them it was god awful.

It's not only that party members are too far, but also and mainly on PS3 if there is a major event like Odin or even if you stand in Mor Dhona waiting for the Morbid quest NPC to load, it will load everyone's chocobo and players who are not in your party first, rather than the party member that is standing next to you and the mentioned NPC.

Would be nice if render order was: Player->Active FATE mobs->Party->unpartied PCs->Chocobos->Overworld Mobs

On PS3 this is really bad, but even running game at max specs and maximum characters on my PC, I run into issues during Odin or Behemoth where I can't heal somebody because they aren't rendered.

However I don't see how this is a PS3 limitation issues, PS3 would be able to run these kind of fights a lot smoother if render priority was given to party members, instead of closest PC/Chocobo. Only way it would be a PS3 issue, would be if even just your party and FATE mobs were rendered and you still couldn't do anything because of slow render times.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

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"Resolve" just means to render. There needs to be a priority on party members rendering. As of right now it's impossible to play a healer in large scale events like crowded FATES or hunts because you can't target your party members 99% of the time.

Before asking for anything on the forums please follow this helpful checklist:

1.) Is it viable?
2.) Would it be accepted by the general community?
3.) Does it in anyway involve memory (RAM)?
4.)If no, proceed to forum and make request.
5.) If yes, proceed to forum and request SE to drop PS3 support.

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Originally Posted by Urielparadox

You know you can change the order it auto sorts in right? Before they added that your party sorted randomly every time you entered an instance. So if you did turn 5 for 40mom, exited and repaired and went back in you had to rearrange again. If you had macros based on party number you had to constantly rearrange your party to use them it was god awful.

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On world, the order of my group is the same than the order people join. And that's fine by me.
When there was no auto sort, the dungeon group was not that random, it was usually the same than the world group order if char click on join a char after an other.
I have an unusuall behavior because i multibox, so if i can avoid to resort manually on 8 chars, that's fine by me. My usual sort is Tank,DPS,DPS, Heal. And if i have a second group, Tank,Dps,Dps,Heal,Tank,Dps,Dps,heal.
If they do an auto sort on world without giving the option to disable it, i will have to spend 5 min to manually resort each char.

"Heal me, please Q_Q"

"I CAN'T TARGET YOUUU~!!! Q____Q"

Yep, been there. Most of us were. It's a reasonable request that should have been in place from the very start. Yet, it's not....

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Add a UI function that greys out, or visually shows us, which party members are too far away to be clicked on.

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Not being able to click on targets that are OOR is irritating as hell, I totally agree.
Dimming them like in WoW would be a start, so I can triage right away w/o trying to target the poor sucker 3x before realizing that he is too far away again.

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Originally Posted by StateAlchemist

Before asking for anything on the forums please follow this helpful checklist:

1.) Is it viable?
2.) Would it be accepted by the general community?
3.) Does it in anyway involve memory (RAM)?
4.)If no, proceed to forum and make request.
5.) If yes, proceed to forum and request SE to drop PS3 support.

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I've got a PC with 8GB RAM, there is no reason at all that the limitations of some shitty ancient console-toaster should apply to my game... esp not in PvE scenarios...

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Not being able to click on targets that are OOR is irritating as hell, I totally agree.
Dimming them like in WoW would be a start, so I can triage right away w/o trying to target the poor sucker 3x before realizing that he is too far away again.



I've got a PC with 8GB RAM, there is no reason at all that the limitations of some shitty ancient console-toaster should apply to my game... esp not in PvE scenarios...

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No but the PC Minimum Reqs. cannot be overshot...at least not before an expansion drops. Otherwise SE has false advertising on their hands when the game suddenly needs an extra GB of RAM to even run.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

No but the PC Minimum Reqs. cannot be overshot...at least not before an expansion drops. Otherwise SE has false advertising on their hands when the game suddenly needs an extra GB of RAM to even run.

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Doubt a few UI changes would change anything in regards to the minimum specs.
Yes I hope that they up them with the xpac, but if they also have to support the PS3, PC minimum spec will be the least of their worries.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

I've got a PC with 8GB RAM, there is no reason at all that the limitations of some shitty ancient console-toaster should apply to my game... esp not in PvE scenarios...

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So-called "PS3 limitations" have absolutely no bearing on the topic being discussed here. Render order is render order, regardless of platform; the only difference on PS3 and lower-end PCs would be the total number of models displayable.

SE's made some strange choices as to which models have priority for rendering. Enemies related to the event (hunt mobs, FATE mobs, etc) and party members should always be top priority. Players outside your party, Chocobos, and freaking Minions can be invisible, for all anyone cares about them. SE has proven that they can adjust render priority, which is why S-ranked hunt mobs are now a lot easier to find than they used to be, so it's a mystery why there's still occasions when party members are not rendered.

A mystery, but not one that has anything to do with PS3.

If, for some reason, they can't get the rendering priority right, another option would be to let us target & use skills on party/alliance members through the party/alliance list regardless of the visibility of their 3D model.

They had basically the same problem with XI for the longest time. You couldn't target or use skills on someone if their model wasn't visible. And player models went invisible a lot with gear swap macros for practically every skill being the norm. Your casts on other players would constantly fail or get flipped to someone else. Took them a few years, but eventually they made it possible to target & cast on someone whether they were visible or not.

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Originally Posted by Bixby

If, for some reason, they can't get the rendering priority right, another option would be to let us target & use skills on party/alliance members through the party/alliance list regardless of the visibility of their 3D model.

They had basically the same problem with XI for the longest time. You couldn't target or use skills on someone if their model wasn't visible. And player models went invisible a lot with gear swap macros for practically every skill being the norm. Your casts on other players would constantly fail or get flipped to someone else. Took them a few years, but eventually they made it possible to target & cast on someone whether they were visible or not.

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This would be very nice.

Not the same issue as XI, that was an unloading and reloading issue, they added a way to target not the player, but just their name in the party list.


Might want to use their language, start a petition on party member graphical and network culling, prioritise party members over everything else, that way they'll always be targetable. When objects are culled the client isn't even aware they exist, never mind have the ability to act on them.

Bumpity bump bump. This is something that really needs to be put into the game. It's a huge damper even since the first time I walked into a large scale fate in a party.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Over a year since launch, we've been asking the developers for two things:

Put priority on having party members resolve for large events so that we can actually raise/heal them.

Add a UI function that greys out, or visually shows us, which party members are too far away to be clicked on.


Please look into it.

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But.... I raise/heal partys member by the "member list", when I select the member on the member list,
my screen will target on that member as well... so if he is too far then i will not able to target him....

Unless you are asking to display ONLY your party PC, otherwise, in real large events when hundreds of PC stacking together... ^^;

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

But.... I raise/heal partys member by the "member list", when I select the member on the member list,
my screen will target on that member as well... so if he is too far then i will not able to target him....

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The issue is that in large scale fates, you can't even target them through the members list unless their character model is rendered on your screen. The client will choose to render chocobos and other mobs/characters before rendering your own party.

Definitely want to see this. Really kills me when I can't heal or raise party members I know are nearby.

And the greying when out of range. Although the MP cost of a spell turns red when you target someone out of range... it's very hard to see. I'd waste much less time on the dragoon standing with a different alliance or whatever if they'd just gray out on the party list at >25 yalms.

Though... if we had a modable UI... you know, that thing SE said we'd get 6 months after release? ...we could do the second thing ourselves...