I'm just curious why the resolution can't go below 1024x768, into 800x600 or 640x480. These two resolution options are real options and are usually standard in all games. Switching the game to 640x480 can really speed games up. This option is not available though.
How come there's no option to run this game in 640x480?
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09-30-2014, 07:15 PMShiloEETHow come there's no option to run this game in 640x480?
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09-30-2014, 07:30 PMSqua11_Leonhart
ff14 is cpu limited rather then gpu limited in most situations, so an even lower resolution (which will not permit the default sizes of the ui to fit properly) - will really not improve performance at all.
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10-01-2014, 05:51 AMShiloEETit really depeneds. i still think it's sttrange for these options to not be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart
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10-01-2014, 06:53 AMSqua11_Leonhart
we're in 2014, theres no need to go that low anymore.
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10-01-2014, 04:05 PMShiloEETThat's not actually the point. i run my desktop in 640x480 too. it's not a performance thing. I simply think that it looks better. It's a choice of physical display. much like how the ps1 looks primitive or small in resolution. 640x480 is a primitive graphical resolution for the pc. So to keep it in 640x480- is retro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart
However large resolutions isn't futuristic either. Performances can only be measured at the lowest resolution possible. So you test it from the lowest resolution possible on PC. You may also test it from the highest level possible.
So until windows operating system no longer allows 800x600 resolution for the desktop it is not a primitive resolution yet. It is actually more primitive to leave it out. So when windows operating system phases out 800x600- for desktop display i will acknowledge you. However for someone like me it's more of a visual choice.
edit: 800x600 is the lowest resolution possible. however it can still enter 640x480 in safe mode or without a graphical adapter. Can also enter 640x480 through (low resolution mode) This is in windows 7 anyways.
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10-01-2014, 04:11 PMBobbinT
Are you playing in full screen or windowed? I think you can set custom resolution in windowed mode. And I do play in windowed mode, enables me to alt-tab to browser & stuff. Windowed mode also enables you to custom your resolution size by simply click & dragging the window corners.
For example, I do set my resolution from 1280x720 to 1280x500 so I can see water sprout in Levi extreme mode way better. After instance done, I change it back to 720p. lol -
10-01-2014, 04:19 PMShiloEETi haven't tried using windows mode but i will take a look at it later.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbinT
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10-01-2014, 04:32 PMBobbinTMy personal rule of thumb: If the game has windowed mode, always... always use it. If have to, find the patch or 3rd app tools that enables windowed mode. XDQuote:
Originally Posted by ShiloEET
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10-01-2014, 04:39 PMThe_Last_Dragoon
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10-01-2014, 04:43 PMBobbinTI guess you don't play/like NDS/PSP/3DS/PS Vita/smartphones huh? lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon
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10-01-2014, 04:46 PMThe_Last_DragoonI play the 3DS XL, the normal one is too small. The difference between those and XIV though is that any game made on a mobile device is made for that resolution where XIV obviously is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbinT
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10-01-2014, 04:59 PMBobbinTbut... but... I can slip the small one in my pocket real easy and still a breather. XL are too big for my pocket. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon
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10-01-2014, 05:06 PMThe_Last_DragoonI've broken the L & R buttons by sticking my DS lite into my pocket, and I have a younger brother who is currently having his normal sized 3DS fixed because he shoves it into his pocket (His pockets are pretty small though). I bought a case for it since I don't want to risk it breaking again :/Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbinT
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10-01-2014, 05:06 PMShiloEEThaha ok. that was too funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon
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10-02-2014, 04:56 AMSqua11_LeonhartQuote:
Originally Posted by ShiloEET
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10-02-2014, 09:25 AMShiloEETwell that's how it has looked since windows 95. that is compatability mode. When you go to Safe Mode, it is normal that it goes to 640 X 480 becauseQuote:
Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart
in Safe Mode, Windows does not load the video card normal drivers... -
10-02-2014, 02:31 PMSqua11_LeonhartSafe mode is 800x600 in vista and higherQuote:
Originally Posted by ShiloEET
and if you change it while in safe mode it will remain at a higher resolution unless you select the vgasave boot option,
That said, you are only hurting your own experience by continuing to use such a low resolution, when doing so restricts screen real estate for macros and ui windows. (good luck reading the map while trying to find stuff) -
10-02-2014, 08:03 PMBobbinTSafe mode in Vista still 600x480. I'm using Vista Ultimate on my home desktop PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart
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10-02-2014, 09:30 PMShiloEETYeah so what about low resolution mode inside of boot menu. This is in windows 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart
Yeah i was using windows vista until my computer broke in june maybe. safe mode was still 640x480. I have not checked in windows 7 yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbinT
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10-02-2014, 10:18 PMKyousha
I'm having tremendous trouble trying to figure out how someone could possibly comfortably run FFXIV at that low resolution. Even on PS3, it's 720p--While downsizing the GUI makes for more room on the screen, the font and icons become difficult to read. Maybe a lower resolution might be playable, but... I'm 95% sure Square Enix chose not to go that low of a resolution because of the display room... everything would become messy & jumbled on the screen. Not to mention in the Crystal/Syrcus Tower Raids, two additional windows are automatically displayed for the two other alliance members, and THOSE are always in my way as it is (although, I'm sure there's an option to turn them off... I realized I never pay attention to them much anyway until recently, so I never really checked). Not to mention all of the other character's names blend in with one another on the screen... maybe there's a way to downsize those as well; I know there's an option to shorten player's display names, at least.
My advice to you: Play the game in 1080p. You'll get used to it in about a week. Get over the "retro" feel of it, because that's more than 20 years ago. FFXIV was MEANT to be played in 1080p; that's how it was intended. Otherwise, you're GOING to encounter problems. -
10-02-2014, 10:38 PMSqua11_Leonhartno it isn't, Vista doesn't even allow less than 800x600 to be set from the display settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbinT
Quote:
The following is an extract from 'Windows Vista Inside Out', page 815. You
will notice that it states 'a generic video driver at 800 x 600 resolution'.
Dwarf
"Using Safe Mode
Like previous versions, Windows Vista gives you the option to start your
system in Safe Mode if you’re unable to start reliably in the normal manner.
In Safe Mode, Windows uses only those services and drivers that are
absolutely required to start your system. The operating system runs with a
generic video driver at 800 x 600 resolution, with support for keyboard,
mouse, monitor, local storage, and default system services. In Safe Mode,
Windows does not install support for audio devices and nonessential
peripherals. Your USB flash drives, hard disks, keyboard, and mouse will be
supported, provided your system BIOS includes the option to recognize and
enable these devices. All logon programs (programs in your Startup folder,
for example) are bypassed."
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10-02-2014, 10:48 PMShiloEETok but you forgot about booting from low resolution mode which is 640x480. it means it is not an abandoned format yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart
edit: also sleeping dogs runs in 640x480 and this is a square enix game as well. -
10-02-2014, 10:56 PMBixby
Because SE likes their games to look good. They don't want someone seeing the game in such a low resolution and deciding not to try it because it looks like crap.
Minimum system requirements are a thing not because you can't possibly ever get away with worse, but because the companies in question don't want their products to look any worse than that. -
10-02-2014, 11:23 PMBobbinTI did play on 1080p on my home desktop. Kinda stretched my eyes trying to see the whole screen. Sometimes small is good, you can see everything. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyousha
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10-02-2014, 11:24 PMSqua11_LeonhartFF14 was developed inhouseQuote:
Originally Posted by ShiloEET
Sleeping dogs was not. -
10-02-2014, 11:25 PMShiloEEToh alright i forgot about this. i saw this game in 720p. i thought this is the normal way of running it. So the resolution is no lower than 1024x768 because it is a ps3 port? if so this is lazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart
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10-02-2014, 11:55 PMAlurwen
Not sure if OP is elaborate troll or serious business......
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10-03-2014, 12:20 AMNutz
There's really no reason to support outdated technology that virtually nobody would even want to use. They'd have to add more resize options to every UI element just so that you could fit them on screen and still see anything other then the UI. The chat box would be nearly useless unless made much larger and they'd have to rework all system/ NPC pop up text to either show less at a time or for the dialogue bubble to cover half of the screen. There's no way you could effectively use the active quest log element -- it takes up a large amount of space at 1080p. There are probably even more reasons I can't think of at the moment.
If you're just craving a tiny screen, why not buy one? I can't see why having a blurry image specifically is desirable to anyone. -
10-03-2014, 12:23 AMShiloEETThis game is in 1024x768 at the lowest it's because its a lazy ps3 port. I know this because serious performance increases occurs at 640x480.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutz
edit: it might just be lack of pc game knowledge by square enix not lazy. im just being expressive literally anyway. -
10-03-2014, 12:30 AMBixbyIt's not laziness. It's being smart enough about their profit margins to not flunk How To Make Money 101.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShiloEET
Adding support for such low resolutions would cost more in development, maintenance & support time than the infinitesimally tiny increase in player base would bring in in subscriptions.
That's generously assuming the player base actually would increase instead of a net decrease (via the number of people who subscribe because it supports 640x480 being lower than the number of people who get turned off and decide not to try it after seeing it at such a low res). -
10-03-2014, 12:35 AMShiloEETyeah i get what you're saying exactly. i think the game looks fine on these resolutions it has. i know the cost is high to go back for 640x480. i suppose maybe square enix doesnt have money for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bixby