Tab Targeting.

I'm not really sure where to put this, but it's been a year SE. Can we get the targeting to do what it says it's supposed to do? The option in the menu that says Cycle through Enemies (Nearest to Farthest) doesn't do that, but instead cycles through enemies from Left to Right. Similarly, the option below it doesn't do what it says either, and cycles from Right to Left. I would prefer if you actually made it so that it really does cycle from nearest to farthest, instead of just fixing what the menu says.

It cycles through using the letters monster have on the side of their names I believe. I may be wrong, but that's what I've observed.

To me it looks like most far away enemies not engaged in the fight have the hightest priority to be chosen as next target lol. Actually I have no clue how their system works.

I actually prefer how it is, cycling left to right and right to left. A new option for cycling near to far and far to near I wouldn't be opposed to though.

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

To me it looks like most far away enemies not engaged in the fight have the hightest priority to be chosen as next target lol. Actually I have no clue how their system works.

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This, there's no left to right involved in it from as far as I can tell. Most of the times it simply targets the most inconvenient target first, the one furthest in the back. It's like trying to plug in a USB-cable. Always takes 3 tabs before hitting the right target.

It'd be nice if the tab targeting would simply target what you're looking at most closely first, so whichever is most center on your screen.

I don't have any issues with how it works. When it comes to the target right in front of me I just look at it and hit A (I use controller) and it targets it right away. Or I use trigger + LB or trigger + RB to cycle enemies. I've never had a problem with it and it always seems to target what I expect it to. Is this a keyboard problem?

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Is this a keyboard problem?

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Yes. The gamepad controls, especially if you're good at facing your character and/or camera beforehand, are much more predictable and intuitive.

Tab works fairly predictably a good deal of the time (left to right). Unfortunately, that's not a terribly useful way to cycle targets in a lot of situations, and the predictability goes out the window often enough that in order to use Tab effectively, you basically have to do camera gymnastics.

Lost count to the times I try to tab target the monster in front of me and goes to some monster at the back of the map. Tab targeting as it is right now, doesn't do what it says it does (closest to furthest). It just jumps around with the same accuracy of a drunkard trying to walk a straight line.

I agree. Controller is vastly superior, and that's a huge issue considering many tanks cannot play well with the limitations of a controller. Tab targeting DOES need to be fixed on keyboard. It doesn't work the way it should; the way it does in any other game.

Can we please get a community rep to acknowledge this issue?

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Originally Posted by Bixby

Yes. The gamepad controls, especially if you're good at facing your character and/or camera beforehand, are much more predictable and intuitive.

Tab works fairly predictably a good deal of the time (left to right). Unfortunately, that's not a terribly useful way to cycle targets in a lot of situations, and the predictability goes out the window often enough that in order to use Tab effectively, you basically have to do camera gymnastics.

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Hmm, I often have to do camera gymnastics with my controller in order to target the mob trying to eat my face rather than the guy clear across the room. I seem to remember mention made of which direction you're facing affects what mobs the targeting 'sees'. So if the closest mob is north and I'm facing NNNE, I'm always gonna target the mob wayyy over there to the east. =_=

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Originally Posted by Sadana

Hmm, I often have to do camera gymnastics with my controller in order to target the mob trying to eat my face rather than the guy clear across the room. I seem to remember mention made of which direction you're facing affects what mobs the targeting 'sees'. So if the closest mob is north and I'm facing NNNE, I'm always gonna target the mob wayyy over there to the east. =_=

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PC has an option to auto-face what you are attacking.

The problem arises when I try to target the mob right in front of me that is trying to eat me and the cursor ends up somewhere at the back of the map on some mob that I don't care about. Cue in a bunch of click-click-click either on the monster or on the focus list (if it doesn't decide to bug the crap out and not take any kind of mouse clicks) while my face gets eaten...

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

I don't have any issues with how it works. When it comes to the target right in front of me I just look at it and hit A (I use controller) and it targets it right away. Or I use trigger + LB or trigger + RB to cycle enemies. I've never had a problem with it and it always seems to target what I expect it to. Is this a keyboard problem?

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When you don't have a target, it works just fine, it will always target the thing closest to you first. Trying to cycle through targets properly on a keyboard, though, requires 2 keybinds or camera gymnastics. For example, having Tab set as Nearest to Farthest means that if I have a target in front of me and I want to target the enemy to the left of it, I either have to click on it, or use a separate keybind for the Farthest to Nearest function.

It's annoying because 1.) It doesn't do what it says it's supposed to do and 2.) The thing it does instead is stupid, and an awful way to have targeting work.

It's worse on PC. You can be literally facing, right in front of, the monster you want to target and it will still target something random to your left, far in the back. I play a mix of controller and keyboard\mouse, depending what I am doing, and I really wish I could get the targeting predictability of the controller with the UI control of the keyboard\mouse. Perhaps the expectation wouldn't be there if there weren't targeting options in the menu - but there are and they just don't work.

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PC has an option to auto-face what you are attacking.

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And it's something that no one should get used to. If you want to do any sort of raiding, it's best to just leave this one ticked off. Even with very careful planning of abilities, that one unexpected twitch of a finger can have you running back into the fire.

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Originally Posted by Sadana

I seem to remember mention made of which direction you're facing affects what mobs the targeting 'sees'.

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Yeah, the visibility rules are weird in either case. It's been a long time since I really tried to test & figure them out. I just know that generally, if both my camera and character are not facing what I want to target, I'm going to have a bad time.

It's also frustrating how objects & scenery can screw with it. In Garuda fights, when you hide behind the rocks, I can target Garuda when she reappears if I adjust my camera to the side first. If the rock is blocking too much of her hit box, I can't target her. There's a LNC job quest where you have to click on a shiny in a pile of bones, and it has a really small hit box, so it's the same thing; if you can't "click" the object text for some reason, you have to futz around with position & view to get past the bones and target the thing itself.

I'm assuming many people are trying to target what is in front of them, but they can't because of the tab targeting system. I leave mine on cycle IIRC. HOWEVER, I hit the esc key then I hit the tab key. This forces me then to select the target closest to me without having to cycle through them all.

Works fine for me. I'm using a controller and it will target the enemy standing in front of which ever way my character is facing then cycle left or right across the screen depending on which way i press. I have no issues playing end game raids, PvP, or FATE's. Honestly, I don't think I could ever play another MMO that didn't have controller support like this one does. And I'm on a PC.

So that's why the BRD kept shooting my petrified Renaults...

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Originally Posted by Niqote

So that's why the BRD kept shooting my petrified Renaults...

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Sadly, yes. The way I avoided accidentally targeting renauds when on brd was by turning my camera so that no renaud was in view at all.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Works fine for me. I'm using a controller and it will target the enemy standing in front of which ever way my character is facing then cycle left or right across the screen depending on which way i press. I have no issues playing end game raids, PvP, or FATE's. Honestly, I don't think I could ever play another MMO that didn't have controller support like this one does. And I'm on a PC.

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You say "works fine for me" but you don't even use Tab or something similar to target because you're on a controller. Thanks for the excuse to bump, I guess.

The option to change the method would be nice.

I agree. Can we also make it so that it only targets whats IN FRONT of us. I dont know why, but most of the time, it targets stuff behind me and its very annoying.

I hate the tab targeting in this game as well.

I have regressed back to click targeting.

WOW Tab targetting.
Copy & Paste.
Problem solved.

Actually I have no problems with targeting. The game will target the monsters that are in your vision range, so if you just move your camera a bit, to an area were only the monsters the tank have on him will appear, tab targeting won't select the enemy that are very far or not engaged.

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Originally Posted by Souljacker

And it's something that no one should get used to. If you want to do any sort of raiding, it's best to just leave this one ticked off. Even with very careful planning of abilities, that one unexpected twitch of a finger can have you running back into the fire.

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You can remedy this by changing to legacy controls, your "forward" will be camera based and it'll allow you to snap-face for targeted (for 180* even) weapon skills while keeping on the move. It'll also allow you to run backwards with the S key instead of backpeddling. The trade off though is that it's much less reliable to keep enemies on screen for auto attacks (since mouse turning doesn't change where your character is facing).

Also, I can attest to multiple accidental pulls because of this god forsaken tab targeting. The worse example I can come up with is accidentally targetting a pack of enemies that was across hte room after the 2nd boss in AK, or the diremites beyond the first barrier in tam-tara (heroic).

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Originally Posted by Bixby

Yes. The gamepad controls, especially if you're good at facing your character and/or camera beforehand, are much more predictable and intuitive.

Tab works fairly predictably a good deal of the time (left to right). Unfortunately, that's not a terribly useful way to cycle targets in a lot of situations, and the predictability goes out the window often enough that in order to use Tab effectively, you basically have to do camera gymnastics.

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I am on pc and slowly trying to get used to my controller because it is more comfortable than kb but I have no idea what to start choosing to set the buttons to.