People going offline instead of leaving...

"Sorry I gtg", then proceeds to go offline instead of leaving the party. WTF?



/end rant

Vote kick -> reason -> offline

and continue with your life.

2 people went offline, 4 hour limit, other guy can't kick

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by alimdia

"Sorry I gtg", then proceeds to go offline instead of leaving the party. WTF?



/end rant

---

former FFXI player where you auto leaved party when you logged off.

Especially annoying in T2 Coil as you can not remove them unless you wipe and restart.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by alimdia

"Sorry I gtg", then proceeds to go offline instead of leaving the party. WTF?

---

Most likely to avoid 30 minutes penalty.

in low level dungeons, I keep them there until the end.....so if you start the dungeon depending which one it is, they are stuck for long timings....people should do this more often.

For the other dungeons, well alas nothing you can do, just kick them and good luck....and pray for having someone join party in progress....which if it is a tank may never happen.

Mei

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by HEC-

Most likely to avoid 30 minutes penalty.

---

Or maybe they really had to go and leaving the party first was far from their minds?

I guess they're thinking "either they'll kick me or I'll log on again in 10 minutes and they'll have abandoned duty or finished so either way I win." That's just my guess.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DefendPopPunk

I guess they're thinking "either they'll kick me or I'll log on again in 10 minutes and they'll have abandoned duty or finished so either way I win." That's just my guess.

---

Or they really had to leave.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hik0

former FFXI player where you auto leaved party when you logged off.

---

It'd be nice if quitting the game would come with a second notice if you're still in a party.

"You wish to quit the game, however we detect you're currently in a party/raid. Would you like to leave the party/raid?" [yes] [no] [cancel]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fornix

It'd be nice if quitting the game would come with a second notice if you're still in a party.

"You wish to quit the game, however we detect you're currently in a party/raid. Would you like to leave the party/raid?" [yes] [no] [cancel]

---

However, if people really had to leave and shut off their computer quickly, they would either just tab out and click shut down or just turn off the switch. So it wouldn't really make a difference.

What needs to be changed is not about the people logging off. It's about how the remaining players can remove that player from the party without being penalised. If a vote-kick is done for someone who is offline, then there is no reason why there should be a vote-kick cooldown. The cooldown should only exist for the other reasons such as harrassment, since those can be abused. However, since the only time a player should be able to be vote-kicked for being offline is when he is truly offline, it can't be abused. Hence there is no reason for the cooldown.

I got a tank in expert roulette couple of days ago that simply didn't move waiting to get kicked. Like "damn I suck so much in here, better play dead and wait till they kick me". At least the /slap emote was useful.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Adler

I got a tank in expert roulette couple of days ago that simply didn't move waiting to get kicked. Like "damn I suck so much in here, better play dead and wait till they kick me". At least the /slap emote was useful.

---

That is a different matter altogether. SE has already made it clear that players who don't cooperate and do nothing while asking to be vote-kicked can be reported and action will be taken against them.

I had to stop playing quickly a few weeks ago (baby woke crying). I was literally a few seconds into a DF Garuda HM run and I logged off, assuming that would remove me from the instance. I was astounded 30 mins later to log back in and discover I was still in the fight, the party trying to win with just 1 healer! It is crazy that actively logging off (as opposed to sudden disconnect) does not remove you from the group / instance. I expect many people make the same perfectly reasonable assumption that it does.

this shows that no system is ideal, simpel as that, there is a way to circumvent the 30mn penalty and people is using it, how to blame them ?
Rules (Laws) are in place to be infringed....and here we have a good example of it, I wouldnt bother with all this.

Mei

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pantz

However, if people really had to leave and shut off their computer quickly, they would either just tab out and click shut down or just turn off the switch. So it wouldn't really make a difference.

What needs to be changed is not about the people logging off. It's about how the remaining players can remove that player from the party without being penalised. If a vote-kick is done for someone who is offline, then there is no reason why there should be a vote-kick cooldown. The cooldown should only exist for the other reasons such as harrassment, since those can be abused. However, since the only time a player should be able to be vote-kicked for being offline is when he is truly offline, it can't be abused. Hence there is no reason for the cooldown.

---

Having to go, doesn't have to mean you have to shut down your computer. Sometimes you may simply have to do something else. A run taking longer than expected. Having forgotten about an event in another game you were supposed to join. Etcetera. There can be a great number of reasons.

While quitting the game it's very easy to forget that this game doesn't automatically remove you from the party in that case. And many may simply be completely unaware either. For those to which this is their first MMO they may simply regard it as leaving any other random multiplayer session, going by the assumption that FFXIV follows a standard quit = dropped from team principle.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fornix

Having to go, doesn't have to mean you have to shut down your computer. Sometimes you may simply have to do something else. A run taking longer than expected. Having forgotten about an event in another game you were supposed to join. Etcetera. There can be a great number of reasons.

---

Yes, but that doesn't change anything, does it? Whether a player went afk or switched off his computer when he had to go, the fact is that the party would get penalised by having the vote-kick cooldown start after they vote-kick that player. Whether the player legitimately logged of because he had to go or not doesn't matter. End of the day, the remaining party member gets penalised. Sure, you can add a deserter's penalty for those that log off but that doesn't solve the problem at all. The vote-kick timer would still exist and the problem still remains.

The problem here is not players needing to go. It's the vote-kick system. I have played other MMOs where vote-kicking for offline ignores any vote-kick cooldown. It definitely should be implemented here too, whether the player legitimately had to go or not.

Let's not argue semantics on whether a player switched off his computer, exited FF14 or logged off. End of the day, the player is still offline and the remaining party members are affected.

I think you're completely missing the point?

The popup on the end of the player leaving would just be an extra. It would serve as nothing else than a reminder for leaving players to still leave the party. Of course with the option to click no if you're just wanting to quickly relog. That way the remaining players wouldn't even have to worry about a vote kick, and the game can directly start looking for the replacement.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fornix

I think you're completely missing the point?

The popup on the end of the player leaving would just be an extra. It would serve as nothing else than a reminder for leaving players to still leave the party. Of course with the option to click no if you're just wanting to quickly relog. That way the remaining players wouldn't even have to worry about a vote kick, and the game can directly start looking for the replacement.

---

And hence I made that argument of players directly switching off that computer as a flaw for that suggestion. Sure, you can add a reminder for those that choose to log off. But that solution wouldn't solve the problem when a player shuts down his computer.

Let me type it out for you step-by-step.

1) There is a reminder as you suggested when logging off.
2) Player chose to shut down pc directly and hence bypasses that reminder.
3) Remaining players still have to vote-kick. (i.e. we are back to the same problem)

See the flaw now? That is why I suggested for vote-kick on offline players to not initiate a cooldown instead.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pantz

And hence I made that argument of players directly switching off that computer as a flaw for that suggestion. Sure, you can add a reminder for those that choose to log off. But that solution wouldn't solve the problem when a player shuts down his computer.

Let me type it out for you step-by-step.

1) There is a reminder as you suggested when logging off.
2) Player chose to shut down pc directly and hence bypasses that reminder.
3) Remaining players still have to vote-kick. (i.e. we are back to the same problem)

See the flaw now? That is why I suggested for vote-kick on offline players to not initiate a cooldown instead.

---

Hence why I suggested it merely as extra... And nowhere claimed it to be an all-end solution...

it's the same problem as when you vote for abandon, people reject it and you see people leaving because they don't accept a group decision. SE must remove the "leave" button completely. if you join, you stay and that's it. and if you go offline or AFK just because you don't accept staying in that party, people vote for you to be dismiss and you cannot register for a new dungeon or RAID for 3 days.

people will stop being pain in the ass by joining for just leaving and not accepting a group decision to not abandon.

SE is too much cool with those people and it's worst every day.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kilyua

it's the same problem as when you vote for abandon, people reject it and you see people leaving because they don't accept a group decision. SE must remove the "leave" button completely. if you join, you stay and that's it. and if you go offline or AFK just because you don't accept staying in that party, people vote for you to be dismiss and you cannot register for a new dungeon or RAID for 3 days.

---

And this still doesn't solve the problem the OP posed. Sure, you can punish those that logged off. However, that still leaves the party with a vote-kick cooldown. If two players went offline, then the remaining party are still in trouble with only being able to kick one player only.

Please don't rush to hand out your "justice". No matter what punishment one comes out with, at the end of the day, the problem is still the vote-kick cooldown for offline players. If a player really needs to go, he won't care about not being able to queue for 3 days during that moment.

As a player that has 3 different characters and spend considerable amount of time doing roulettes for each daily I would welcome this popup message to let someone know they are logging out while still in party. If they select yes I think it should auto kick them from party since that is their objective anyways hence the logging out. Then search for a rep. If they select no well then of course they can stay if they so desire. Is this message for everyone no? Does it apply to some , It sure does. Same thing for many of the popups in this game asking you to hit yes or no or to confirm. This game is full of them already so what's one more popup. If your leaving is it really gonna interrupt your gameplay when your not gaming anymore anyways?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kilyua

it's the same problem as when you vote for abandon, people reject it and you see people leaving because they don't accept a group decision. SE must remove the "leave" button completely. if you join, you stay and that's it. and if you go offline or AFK just because you don't accept staying in that party, people vote for you to be dismiss and you cannot register for a new dungeon or RAID for 3 days.

people will stop being pain in the ass by joining for just leaving and not accepting a group decision to not abandon.

SE is too much cool with those people and it's worst every day.

---

no leave button? no way thats too soft , as soon as u join a party u are handcuffed to your keyboard / controller if u move outside the ps3/ps4 /PC room u are electrocuted , u are free once u finish your dungeon until then enjoy FFXIV or die! rofl

I try to remember to leave when I have to log out, but sometimes I forget... I suppose a lot of people do too. Eitherway I don't see why it's such a big deal, remove from party and continue with anything you were doing...

What I don't like is that a leader, instead of leaving the party, disbanding it. I don't see why that button is required at all. Sometimes the people in the party want to continue do something and it's selfish to just click disband. Wanna leave? just do so, no need to disband...

That button basically has no purpose and should be removed lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kilyua

it's the same problem as when you vote for abandon, people reject it and you see people leaving because they don't accept a group decision. SE must remove the "leave" button completely. if you join, you stay and that's it. and if you go offline or AFK just because you don't accept staying in that party, people vote for you to be dismiss and you cannot register for a new dungeon or RAID for 3 days.

people will stop being pain in the ass by joining for just leaving and not accepting a group decision to not abandon.

SE is too much cool with those people and it's worst every day.

---

3 days? Do you want the game to lose a ton of players?

How would you differentiate from players who actually legit disconnected and were trying to get back on but got booted instantly when they DCed?

I know it's annoying but come on that's a bit extreme.

This sertantly is very annoying. And for the person defending that action, if you really have to go you dont type "Sorry I have to go" you just disconect without warning or anything. If you have time to inform your party you have time to drop party.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pantz

Or they really had to leave.

---

If that's the case, they would not be staying there, knowing purposefully that they will be a detriment to the rest of the party.

So I don't believe that not even a millisecond.

As for a solution, if SE still haven't found one.. oh wait, yeah well, can't always believe they'll find fixes for everything.. I take that back. >.<

If you need to leave for 2 mins (someone knocking at the door, your dog, your baby, etc..) you can say sorry brb in 2 mins.

Else, be courteous and just leave and suck up on that 30 min penalty, and take that time to give love to your plants in your garden and feed your chocobo some krakka..

30 mins is as close to what DPS are waiting to get into a dungeon, and it's very stupid. I switched from BRD (22 mins, was bored and GF wanted to go in so.. ) to PLD yesterday: instant queue.. o.O

What if the group is really bad and you select Vote Abandon but the other players just reject the option? Should that player be the one to take the 30 minute penalty just because the other players in his/her group are incompetent? Seems pretty unfair.

I know a few people who just X out of their game client from their PCs just to avoid the penalty because of their crappy party members.

@Gucci

yes he should, he doesnt want to be there, he can leave, people need to assume their own decisions. I agree few people can own up to it...most dont even know what the word, responsability, is.

Mei

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MeiUshu

@Gucci

yes he should, he doesnt want to be there, he can leave, people need to assume their own decisions. I agree few people can own up to it...most dont even know what the word, responsability, is.

Mei

---

So you would be cool to take the 30 minute penalty if such was the case? You try to trigger Vote Abandon because your party members are incompetent. They keep rejecting it and not listen to your suggestion to help win. Wow...

I'd say kick them if they log, but not doing that saved me from having to redo a dungeon when I kicked my power button.

But my cat really was on fire :(

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

If that's the case, they would not be staying there, knowing purposefully that they will be a detriment to the rest of the party.

So I don't believe that not even a millisecond.

As for a solution, if SE still haven't found one.. oh wait, yeah well, can't always believe they'll find fixes for everything.. I take that back. >.<

If you need to leave for 2 mins (someone knocking at the door, your dog, your baby, etc..) you can say sorry brb in 2 mins.

---

Exactly. Barring emergency situations, it doesn't take much to say "sorry gtg" before you rush to turn your computer off. Just be decent to your party members, it's not an entirely new concept.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DefendPopPunk

Exactly. Barring emergency situations, it doesn't take much to say "sorry gtg" before you rush to turn your computer off. Just be decent to your party members, it's not an entirely new concept.

---

Or you are living in Canada, heavy snowstorm cut off your power grid or some crazy driver crashed into the power supply of the region. :cool:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Divinemight

Or you are living in Canada, heavy snowstorm cut off your power grid or some crazy driver crashed into the power supply of the region. :cool:

---

Yeah I get that. I think I addressed that at the start of my sentence though :p

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Divinemight

Or you are living in Canada, heavy snowstorm cut off your power grid or some crazy driver crashed into the power supply of the region. :cool:

---

Nice one, it applies to everyone, not only in Canada though: got Texan friends which have Tornadoes and blackouts, and then I use my 5 min rule before vote-kicking. Everyone is entitled a fair effort for coming back, which is beyond your control and sucks real bad >.<

In the event that you decided not to move an inch from the start, not being cooperative, (why did you select this duty anyway?)

We will see if we can proceed without you. And yes I'll ask you ;)

I do this sometimes but only when I really have to go somewhere fast