My problem with Atma (yeah, it's another Atma thread)

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09-29-2014, 04:33 AM
Jamillion

My problem with Atma (yeah, it's another Atma thread)

My main problem with Atma isn't the ludicrous drop rate, my problem with Atma is that if there was a bug and you couldn't receive it for whatever reason, YOU'D NEVER KNOW ABOUT IT!
09-29-2014, 04:37 AM
sammy150105

ha, imagine, :')
09-29-2014, 07:02 AM
Tizzy_Tormentor

I remember trying to get Atma when I realized I was doing it with a full inventory, meaning even if it did drop, I wouldn't know because my inventory was full.

Funnily enough, the next fate I did after trimming my inventory out yielded Atma.

But yeah, if a bug does happen where you can't get Atma, it would be a nightmare, especially since people would think the RNG just hates them (which it usually does)
09-29-2014, 08:06 AM
Eggnook24

RNG 'IS' the bug.
09-29-2014, 04:33 PM
Avarghaladion

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

My main problem with Atma isn't the ludicrous drop rate, my problem with Atma is that if there was a bug and you couldn't receive it for whatever reason, YOU'D NEVER KNOW ABOUT IT!

I acutally went something ridiculous like 80 hours of intense farming without an Atma dropping. I submitted a trouble ticket asking them to check if my character was bugged. Finished my set in what I would consider a "reasonable" time after. No way of knowing if anything was wrong but it certainly felt like I was broken.
09-30-2014, 01:09 AM
Jamillion

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Originally Posted by Avarghaladion

I acutally went something ridiculous like 80 hours of intense farming without an Atma dropping. I submitted a trouble ticket asking them to check if my character was bugged. Finished my set in what I would consider a "reasonable" time after. No way of knowing if anything was wrong but it certainly felt like I was broken.

I can believe it, some of the Atma horror stories I've heard definitely sound like bugged chars
09-30-2014, 01:24 AM
The_Last_Dragoon

As it's been posted before, there are theories where if you farm for Atmas at certain times that it increases the chances of them dropping slightly. In light of Rank S Hunt requirements, this theory seems more valid than when it was first produced. Keep in mind though that even with this theory, you're at the mercy of the RNG, which has always been a cruel and merciless master.
09-30-2014, 08:40 AM
Cynfael

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

As it's been posted before, there are theories where if you farm for Atmas at certain times that it increases the chances of them dropping slightly. In light of Rank S Hunt requirements, this theory seems more valid than when it was first produced. Keep in mind though that even with this theory, you're at the mercy of the RNG, which has always been a cruel and merciless master.

The devs themselves say that there is no rhyme or reason to atma. If it makes people feel better to follow some kind of farming itinerary or ritual, there's nothing wrong with that, but RNG is 100% RNG unless there's a quirk in the system that even the dev team isn't aware of (unlikely).
10-01-2014, 03:26 AM
Jamillion

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

The devs themselves say that there is no rhyme or reason to atma. If it makes people feel better to follow some kind of farming itinerary or ritual, there's nothing wrong with that, but RNG is 100% RNG unless there's a quirk in the system that even the dev team isn't aware of (unlikely).

As someone who works with server software I'd say it's not THAT unlikely... But if it's pure RNG that makes me feel better about the method not working
10-01-2014, 05:15 AM
ChameleonMS

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

As someone who works with server software I'd say it's not THAT unlikely.

+1

You work with, I write it and I completely agree. Just the other day I found a bug in our code that has been resident there for nearly 6 years.
10-01-2014, 09:36 PM
Cynfael

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

As someone who works with server software I'd say it's not THAT unlikely... But if it's pure RNG that makes me feel better about the method not working

Not out of the realm of possibility, but still unlikely given that they'd have to be nuts not to check up on it after the flood of complaints coming from players :P
10-01-2014, 09:42 PM
Bixby

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

Not out of the realm of possibility, but still unlikely given that they'd have to be nuts not to check up on it after the flood of complaints coming from players :P

The flood of complaints has been constant since inception. If there was a new bug that made the drop rate half what it's supposed to be, the complaints would just get lost in the noise. It'd take a truly monumental amount of complaints to break through and make them notice.

And, y'know, they'd also have to be nuts to let a patch go live with something as fundamental as controller movement really obviously broken, so apparently they are nuts.
10-01-2014, 10:04 PM
Cynfael

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Originally Posted by Bixby

The flood of complaints has been constant since inception. If there was a new bug that made the drop rate half what it's supposed to be, the complaints would just get lost in the noise. It'd take a truly monumental amount of complaints to break through and make them notice.

And, y'know, they'd also have to be nuts to let a patch go live with something as fundamental as controller movement really obviously broken, so apparently they are nuts.

The point stands given that they've purposefully addressed said complaints about atma by saying that the system can't be influenced by player good luck rituals.

However, they were indeed nuts to allow that controller movement bug to pass.