How to Fix Morale

Simply make it the PvP equivalent of your Job's Primary Stat.

Now, a person can use their PvP gear in Frontlines for the superior stat allocation.

Removes the awkward scaling.

Removes the defensive imbalance.

Prevents PvE usage.

Gives the gear value again.

Just tweak the amount of Morale on PvP Gear to mirror the proper amount of primary stat for the items' ilvl, literally make it identical to your Primary Stat, just for PvP use only.

Please SE, what do you think?

In b4 tanks get parry.

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Originally Posted by Toodles

Simply make it the PvP equivalent of your Job's Primary Stat.

Now, a person can use their PvP gear in Frontlines for the superior stat allocation.

Removes the awkward scaling.

Removes the defensive imbalance.

Prevents PvE usage.

Gives the gear value again.

Just tweak the amount of Morale on PvP Gear to mirror the proper amount of primary stat for the items' ilvl, literally make it identical to your Primary Stat, just for PvP use only.

Please SE, what do you think?

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Just one question Pre3vail, if their original intention to disable morale is to allow a competition where no one has advantage in gear. Why do you think increase in main attribute would works?

Morale is start of all the chaos, defensive and magic decisive doesn't works and guttered Paladin. I think I will take different version of PvP gear, may be a set bonus instead, give player a choice between either set bonus or 4th stats.

i think it is stupid that morale doesn't have any use what so ever in front line which is stupid because front lines is PvP. people shouldn't be able to hop right into pvp in pve gear and be on the same level as those in pve gear.

@Atreus, Parry only occurs from the front, so it'd be extremely hard to pull off consistently. In any case, if it began posing a problem, changing the formula specifically for PvP wouldn't be difficult.

@Divinemight, what this does is make Morale Gear usable in PvP again (the larger benefit being the superior stat allocation PvP Gear tends to offer for PvP). Although I do like the idea of set bonuses for PvP to give a slight edge but not be overtly OP.

@SevValen, I think so too.

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Originally Posted by Toodles

@Divinemight, what this does is make Morale Gear usable in PvP again (the larger benefit being the superior stat allocation PvP Gear tends to offer for PvP). Although I do like the idea of set bonuses for PvP to give a slight edge but not be overtly OP.
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PvP is still usable, people picking on it because it is a 3 stats gear while players are having a delusion that accuracy is not need in PvP. The fact is, you still need 390 to 400 accuracy.

Increase main attribute is no different than morale. Those who are with PvP gear will have an advantage, thus, should be avoid. Even with my idea of set bonus, it shoulda not have a devastating effect as well.

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Originally Posted by SevValen

i think it is stupid that morale doesn't have any use what so ever in front line which is stupid because front lines is PvP. people shouldn't be able to hop right into pvp in pve gear and be on the same level as those in pve gear.

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I know right? Having to learn how abilities work and learning how to pvp is so stupid and too hard. They should just make it so that we can equip stuff and bulldoze everyone that isn't wearing that stuff by just clicking auto-attack. This is the worst PVP ever.

Seriously tho...learn how to twink your gear for Frontlines and you won't be on the same level as everyone else.

I sometime think Frontline is just one of the PvP area meant for new player to enter PVP, which mean morale will maybe never work there. Developer might make more PVP zone in future where morale work instead? People who want work hard for rank and gear will go frontline and maybe all who already Rank 40-50 can go to the other PVP zone in future? This just random thought.

Frontline is fine right now without morale and is no problem.
Only problem is people say no use for PVP gear but this not true if watch latest live broadcast.

This might be a good read is you still think that morale should have a place in the PvP:

http://www.gameskinny.com/1a2ix/carb...still-an-issue

I am glad that SE choose to disable morale in the Frontline.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

This might be a good read is you still think that morale should have a place in the PvP:

http://www.gameskinny.com/1a2ix/carb...still-an-issue

I am glad that SE choose to disable morale in the Frontline.

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Are you guys really not understanding I'm asking for Morale to be reworked to be a substitutionary primary stat for PVP purposes only?

40 STR = 40 Morale, Morale replacing STR in PVP & on PVP Gear specifically.

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Originally Posted by Deelo

I know right? Having to learn how abilities work and learning how to pvp is so stupid and too hard. They should just make it so that we can equip stuff and bulldoze everyone that isn't wearing that stuff by just clicking auto-attack. This is the worst PVP ever.

Seriously tho...learn how to twink your gear for Frontlines and you won't be on the same level as everyone else.

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I come from dcuo where there is pve gear and pvp gear a while ago pve used to dominate pvp gear in pve but they changed that a long time ago now if you run pvp in pve (even high tier) gear you will lose. That is the way it should be in this game and it also gives more value to getting the high tier pvp gear in this game for another reason than just vanity

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Originally Posted by Toodles

Are you guys really not understanding I'm asking for Morale to be reworked to be a substitutionary primary stat for PVP purposes only?

40 STR = 40 Morale, Morale replacing STR in PVP & on PVP Gear specifically.

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All you say by such example is player with 0 morale have 0 STR?
Maybe new player try PVP first time and 0 wolf mark and 0 pvp gear and join game with 0 stat benefit? Healer 0 MND and DPS 0 STR?

I think is you who not understanding or not clear? OP very vague, no situation and only mention of switch function? If such case then I think better to stay with what is working now?

Suggestion give is that Morale become STR? Put many without PVP gear at disadvantage? Maybe queue time become longer because nobody want to do as no PVP gear mean no stat for PvP.

Am I right to say this?

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Originally Posted by SevValen

I come from dcuo where there is pve gear and pvp gear a while ago pve used to dominate pvp gear in pve but they changed that a long time ago now if you run pvp in pve (even high tier) gear you will lose. That is the way it should be in this game and it also gives more value to getting the high tier pvp gear in this game for another reason than just vanity

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I completely understand your (and many others') need to one-shot poor random noobs for the lulz, but I don't think you understand what that does to PVP as a whole. People that are new and and curious about PVP wouldn't want to go near it because they would get pulverized by 'elites' that already have Rank 1000 Everything. That would mean less people PVPing, longer ques, more crybaby threads on forums, etc. All you would end up with are those 'elites' with Rank 1000 Everything fighting each other over and over...which circles back to your complaint that everyone is on the same level, except this time with with longer que times and no new faces.

If you understood how gear works in Frontlines, you wouldn't be on the same level as everyone else. You can have a pretty decent advantage by maximizing secondary stats, but 95% of players don't know or care to. It's the difference between MNK1 hitting for 80~ and MNK2 hitting for 180~. I know it's not the 'OGM I JUST RAPED THIS NAB IN ONE HIT' you were hoping for, but I think this system is much more fair. Regarding PVP Gear being useless, I agree and SE is working on a way to include it while somewhat keeping the balance.

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Originally Posted by Zyphione

Maybe new player try PVP first time and 0 wolf mark and 0 pvp gear and join game with 0 stat benefit? Healer 0 MND and DPS 0 STR?

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PvE Gear would still work in PvP.

PvE Piece - 40 Str 30 Vit 30 Crit 30 Acc
PvP Piece - 40 Morale 30 Vit 30 Crit 30 Det

The PvP Piece is favorable b/c it doesn't have wasted points in Accuracy.

However the PvE Piece is still viable as that 40 Str is identical to 40 Morale.

Wear the PvP Piece in SCOB though & the Morale counts for nothing as it doesn't work in PvE.

Main Stat works in both settings.

Morale only works in PvP setting.

Does this make sense now?

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Originally Posted by Toodles

PvE Gear would still work in PvP.

PvE Piece - 40 Str 30 Vit 30 Crit 30 Acc
PvP Piece - 40 Morale 30 Vit 30 Crit 30 Det

The PvP Piece is favorable b/c it doesn't have wasted points in Accuracy.
However the PvE Piece is still viable as that 40 Str is identical to 40 Morale.
Wear the PvP Piece in SCOB though & the Morale counts for nothing as it doesn't work in PvE.
Main Stat works in both settings.
Morale only works in PvP setting.
Does this make sense now?

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Unfortunately, there are several flaws in you suggestion:

1. You have ignored the Wolf Den. Morale is the dominated stat in ilvl50 WD. A ladder is in planning once the PvP population reaching to the ideal amount. Your idea will open a howl to ilvl110 PvE gear to find the way in.

2. The scaling of morale to the primary stats. How well does it scale? Also, what is the impact of ilvl110 PvE gear? Keep in mind, PvP gear is always one tier behind.

3. Morale is a stat in combine of PvP power and PvP Resilience. PvP resilience is much more superior than any sub stat. You are creating unfair advantage that they are on purposely to avoid at the first place.

4. You under estimated the accuracy. While it may not be the same in FF14, both Rogue and Ninja are evasion based jobs. There is high chance to see increase in importance of evasion and accuracy.

5. PvP gear is actually a good choice for War and PLD (with ilvl100 str accessories).

I think I will wait until 2.4 first. PvP gear is fine for just being a ilvl50 WD set. Frontline, morale does not have a place. This is my personal opinion, please feel free to express yours

^PVP gear would still be most effective in Wolve's Den.
^^ILVL would be adjusted to be proper.
^^^My suggestion mentions removing the Resilience Component.
^^^^Accuracy is completely ineffective in PVP, believing it affects EVA% is incorrect.

you're delusional

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Originally Posted by Toodles

^PVP gear would still be most effective in Wolve's Den.
^^ILVL would be adjusted to be proper.
^^^My suggestion mentions removing the Resilience Component.
^^^^Accuracy is completely ineffective in PVP, believing it affects EVA% is incorrect.

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No offense, Prev3vial, if you just want attention, you certainly got it from making a lot of threads on general Fourm already, but your ideas usually are not appealing because you didn't think carefully. If you are really care about the matter that is it.

Your idea of changing morale is pointless because no game developer will change the core mechanic just to make a set of gear more appealing. Morale might as well being removed if you are taking out resilience out of it lol

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Originally Posted by ZzPixie

you're delusional

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Good counter-argument.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

Your idea of changing morale is pointless because no game developer will change the core mechanic just to make a set of gear more appealing.

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They're already confirmed to be altering how Morale works.

I have thought this through. The Dev's already intend to tweak it to make PVP Gear appealing in Frontlines somehow.

This suggestion serves that purpose impeccably well.

You're welcome to counter my reply instead of making false, unknowable statements.

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Originally Posted by Toodles

You're welcome to counter my reply instead of making false, unknowable statements.

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You have nothing to be counter. YoshiP said they have plan to change the PvP gear, not Morale. If you are insisting he has such plan, please provide reference to backup yourself.

Please also do some basic research on this fourm, there is already a topic exist and idea is more appealing than yours:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...in-Front-Lines

Your suggestion doesnt even make sense. If you are removing resilience out from of Morale and insisit to be scale with STR. What is the point of having Morale? It is more simple just removed morale once for all. You are only making it more complicate.

^again, the point is it makes the gear *often* superior & viable for use in Frontlines.
^^I did my research & that's a wholly different suggestion regarding Morale; also it's your opinion that it's more appealing.
^^^there's plenty to counter, changing PVP gear inherently means Morale must be changed because THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT PVP GEAR.

You've proven in a couple of your replies that you don't even fully grasp the nature of my request, so it's pointless to argue.

Obviously, you disagree with my suggestion, that's fine, you've been heard so you can move on.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

PvP is still usable, people picking on it because it is a 3 stats gear while players are having a delusion that accuracy is not need in PvP. The fact is, you still need 390 to 400 accuracy.

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You are wrong. 400 ACC is a waste.

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Originally Posted by Logo

You are wrong. 400 ACC is a waste.

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Thank goodness someone gets it.