Q: Level Cap Raised and iLevels.

I just wondering, if and when SE raises the class level cap, how are they going to handle ilevels?
I mean, for example, if they raised the level cap to 60, will they change all the ilevel 60+ equipment so that you have to be level 60 or will they keep it at level 50 and just add new equipment with a higher ilevel?
But then how high will the ilevels go? We're already past i100.
Hmmm...

Next cap is lvl 140, problem solved !

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Originally Posted by lololink

Next cap is lvl 140, problem solved !

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But that doesn't answer my question about if and when they raise the level cap...

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I just wondering, if and when SE raises the class level cap, how are they going to handle ilevels?
I mean, for example, if they raised the level cap to 60, will they change all the ilevel 60+ equipment so that you have to be level 60 or will they keep it at level 50 and just add new equipment with a higher ilevel?
But then how high will the ilevels go? We're already past i100.
Hmmm...

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It'll just keep increasing cumulatively most likely.

Given how closely they're already following the WoW model with gear level vs character level, I'd imagine they'll just continue to do so. All the current gear will stay the same, and level 51+ will start a little over the highest at the time. If level 50 gear gets up to i150 before the cap is raised, level 51 gear will start at i160 or something like that. Possibly a little overlap so that the top-end, harder-to-get gear makes acceptable beginner gear for level 60.

iLvl is not associated with the player level, it's just common for the iLvL of gear to go up as you obtain higher level gear. They have the ability to implement an i110 piece useable for lvl 1 players if they wish, it just doesn't make any sense to have such a thing in the game.

For the level raise, they can simply add new piece of gear that have higher level requirements but still match the iLvL of existing gear.
Example:
lvl 51 gear can revolve around i70
lvl 52 -> i90
lvl 53 -> 110
lvl 54 -> 130
lvl 55 -> 150+

Basically what this means is that if you are sitting at 110 gear right now, you will either find some i130 gear for lvl 50 in Coil3 or level to 54 and pick up some of that gear when a level cap is raised. Both pieces will be equivalent in stats but it will be much much easier to access the level appropriate piece in the long run.

...or they can just pick up from the last iLevel implemented.


If current iLevel is 310 at level 50, and they introduce level 60, the iLevel could be 215+ and just continue on.

The idea of re-factoring previous iLevels could be a serious pain to not only SE but the players.

Item level has nothing to do mechanically with character level.

They just coincidentally went up together during 1-50. It's possible for them to release il115 gear for Lv1 characters.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

It's possible for them to release il115 gear for Lv1 characters.

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Which would be HILARIOUS. XD

Personally, I think if they raise the level cap to, say, 70, one of two things would happen:

- Either ilvl 55-70 gear would have its level raised to match its ilvl, and all higher ilvl gear will have its ilvl raised to 70, OR
- No change will be made whatsoever to existing gear.

The former choice would be better for newbie players, as the latter option would mean that they'd be under a lot of pressure to collect higher ilvl stuff before other players would do dungeons, Primal fights, etc with them. It's easier to lay the burden at the newbies' feet, and insist that they overgear and overlevel for content.

The latter, though, is easier to implement, and so that's the route I expect SE to take.

they will probably reset to ilvl55 ( example next cap is lv55 )

and start all over with the new lv55 cap

they will also add character lv in party finder too so ppl lv50 and say i135 cant be locked off

They don't actually need to change a thing. All they need to do is set the next ilvl range of gear at the new cap. So the ilvl 120 or whatever would be equippable at level 60 and so forth. It would make a lot more sense to do things this way too. That way you don't render everyone's hard work obsolete with the patch, and you can still have requirements to unlock the new tier of equipment similar to the old ones.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I just wondering, if and when SE raises the class level cap, how are they going to handle ilevels?
I mean, for example, if they raised the level cap to 60, will they change all the ilevel 60+ equipment so that you have to be level 60 or will they keep it at level 50 and just add new equipment with a higher ilevel?
But then how high will the ilevels go? We're already past i100.
Hmmm...

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I can see it handled like WoW, all the gear pre patch is the same, all the gear post patch is a higher item level.

so at say level 51 we could recive ilvl 117 items from quest rewards.

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But that doesn't answer my question about if and when they raise the level cap...

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expansion pack 3.0

Considering every low level pink and green equip already has a higher ilevel than the level required to equip them, they don't have to do anything

No need to touch actual armoury. Who got endgame armour will be able to enjoy next levels without worry their equip, as long as lv 51 armour will be most likely into the i50-i60 range. It will be next tier of endgame armoury set up from i110 the classic ones and higher for the top raids, imho.

No change to current gear. If they add new gear for each level between 51 and the new cap I'd be extremely surprised, but it would most likely be quest rewards with stats similar to NQ crafted gear, or HQ if it's aetherial (pink from levequest coffers). In that case, quest reward gear with required level 55 would have the same stats as a NQ piece of i55 Militia (crafted) gear, and the aetherial version would be equal to the HQ i55 Militia gear. More likely though, level 51+ quests and leve coffers would just award current gear (like i60/Darklight/Myth/etc.) to increase power levels closer to the new maximum faster.

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Originally Posted by Felis

expansion pack 3.0

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expansion pack 3.0

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expansion pack 3.0

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This.

Yoshi already has said that there won't be a level increase planned until the expansion.

As for ilevels, as others have already said, I expect them to keep all gear pre-expansion exactly the same while introducing new higher ilevel gear to go along with the increased player levels.

When you think about it, our ilevels while leveling up were very minimal increases (roughly 1 per level). So I actually don't expect SE to do anything as dramatic as drastically raising the item level of new gear. It might not even go up at all until we reach the new level cap to be honest. Even then I only expect it to increase marginally, for example, if the new level cap is 60 I doubt we'd see anything more than a +10 ilevel over whatever the current top ilevel is at the time for beginning level 60 gear.

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Considering every low level pink and green equip already has a higher ilevel than the level required to equip them, they don't have to do anything

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Came in to point this out. And what I've noticed is the required level for green gear is usually the minimum level of the dungeon it's found in, but the ilevel is that of the maximum level of the dungeon.

what bother me, it's if they continue the same model (new ilevel upgrade every 6 month) in no time we will get item ilevel 200-300, i find it ridiculous, even WoW have understand that increase too much the stats and the ilevel is not always the right solution.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

what bother me, it's if they continue the same model (new ilevel upgrade every 6 month) in no time we will get item ilevel 200-300, i find it ridiculous, even WoW have understand that increase too much the stats and the ilevel is not always the right solution.

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ilevel != stats

so long as the stat inflation isnt terrible they can increase the ilevel all they want.

What is probably going to happen is that in the expansion, the new level 50 zone/mobs/quests will be tuned to players in i50-55 gear, and said quests will give out items of significantly higher item levels. By the time you are on somewhere between level 55-60 quests/mobs the gear will probably match coil 3 endgame stuff, and then the level 60 entry-level dungeons will most likely be an improvement over Coil 3.

The reason I think it will be done this way is that it will provide a smooth transition from level 50 to level 51 and beyond. Then, At some point the quest gear will match or be an improvement upon Coil 3 providing the gear reset that we get every major patch.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

what bother me, it's if they continue the same model (new ilevel upgrade every 6 month) in no time we will get item ilevel 200-300, i find it ridiculous, even WoW have understand that increase too much the stats and the ilevel is not always the right solution.

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They've stated the increase in ilvl is going to slow so we don't have Big Number Syndrome.

Is there anyone else here who doesn't necessarily want a level cap increase? I'd rather our characters grow more horizontally in the future, at least for a while before they do increase the level cap. It would be a shame and a waste to release an expansion, raise the level cap, and immediately trivialize the old level 50 content. All for what, bigger numbers? Who cares about that?

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Originally Posted by Amused

Is there anyone else here who doesn't necessarily want a level cap increase? I'd rather our characters grow more horizontally in the future, at least for a while before they do increase the level cap. It would be a shame and a waste to release an expansion, raise the level cap, and immediately trivialize the old level 50 content. All for what, bigger numbers? Who cares about that?

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the case for lateral progression has been made in the past but it's mostly been drowned out by "I want to level more,because bigger numbers"

I suspect that there will be:

• Two new tiers of white crafted with level requirements between level 51 to 55 and 56 and 60 made with mats from level 50 and 60 gathering nodes found in new areas.
• New level 55 and 60 1 Star and 2 Star greens with ilevels of i90 and higher.
• One or two new blue gear tiers with level requirements of 60 and the highest ilevel until the expansion's first patch.

The level cap increase will happen with the expansion. That much is all but guaranteed.

As for Item Level, it will probably continue going at a gradual pace in steps of 20 every two content patches. That in mind, I predict the next in the series of endgame gear will be i130-i135.

And just to tack on an opinion on why people shouldn't ask the question this thread poses: People who speed through MMOs are what's wrong with the genre. Slow the hell down and quit complaining about a lack of content in a game that updates at an already impressive speed.

I think you guys are talking about "power creep" right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_creep

It's not too hard to figure out what's going to happen when the character max level goes to level 60.

It's not like you'd get i130 gear from the first quest you pick up while leveling to 51....

Odds are you'll probably get something more like ilvl90 when first starting quests (don't forget about the people that buy the game when the expansion comes out, they will be leveling from lvl1).

Maybe when you hit 60 is when the quest gear will finally hit ilvl130(or whatever the top end for lvl50 will be) or close to it. It would make sense if they wanted to save any further ilvl jumps for actual raids, new token farm (tomes?) or at least a new lvl60 dungeon. The reason being is upping the ilvl is not something they can do forever without troubles.

At the very least, the numbers are going to get harder and harder to math. :P

"Ermagerd, you got that new ilvl999x^1244 weapon!?!? soooo jelly!"

When they raise the level cap, the level 50 gear we have now will be useless. We won't see a level cap increase until the expansion hits sometime next year. There will be new gear in the expansion for use to obtain. The gear we have now, definitely won't upgrade with us.

Thus is the condition of current day MMORPGs. Don't get attached to your gear. It only fills a slot temporarily, no matter how good it is currently. With new content, comes new gear to chase.

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Originally Posted by Amused

Is there anyone else here who doesn't necessarily want a level cap increase? I'd rather our characters grow more horizontally in the future, at least for a while before they do increase the level cap. It would be a shame and a waste to release an expansion, raise the level cap, and immediately trivialize the old level 50 content. All for what, bigger numbers? Who cares about that?

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For me, the idea of a level cap increase is interesting not because it comes with better stats, but because it comes with new class and/or job abilities. It will be interesting to see if the new tools we get will have a significant effect on our current DPS and enmity ability rotations.

As for trivializing old level 50 content, that boat has already sailed. Such old content is ALREADY trivialized by the very fact that we can wear ilvl 100+ gear at level 50. Run Amdapor Keep with a team wearing no equipment higher than ilvl 55, then do it again with your pimped-out ilvl 100+ gear. Needless to say, the difference is significant.

If it's still a problem, they can always add a level 50 level cap to the old stuff. Wouldn't stop folks from overpowering it with high ilvl gear, though.

I think when lvl cap is increase the ilvl will reset. Example if lvl50 gear max ilvl is 130 then the lvl 60 gear will be more powerfull than the lvl50 ilvl130 gear. And then the ilvl will start from 60+ for the lvl60 gear.