Place (Pet)

As of this point, I have no clue why if you run out of range, your fairy is dismissed. What should happen is when your fairy gets to max range, it automatically switches to Heel. There is no reason why this shouldn't happen, because there's no situation where you would rather resummon your fairy than to have it follow you. And if there is, you can simply dismiss your fairy by right clicking on it.

The only argument I can see is that some may say it makes you pay more attention, and while that's true there's also nothing wrong with a convenience feature that isn't a buff of any kind.

What say you?

Leave it as it is, if you cant pay attention to a simple thing like that maybe SCH/SMN isnt for you.

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Originally Posted by Sanguisio

Leave it as it is, if you cant pay attention to a simple thing like that maybe SCH/SMN isnt for you.

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Eyh look, here come the elitists.

I agree. It's not a huge deal by any stretch of the imagination, but it's still pretty weird to have it go away as soon as you're 2cm beyond her range. I wouldn't call it something that NEEDS to be fixed, but I'd be a nice addition.

I haven't played SCH, only a bit of Arcanist so I can't put TOO much input to it... but, just put Heel next to Stay/Place o.o And then jab the when you're about to run off.

I don't agree with Sanguisio's wording, at all - but yeah, I don't think it would be too difficult x.x;; Pretty much as ItaruKarin said.
I think they didn't auto-heel the summons so that you could get to the max range without it suddenly abandoning it's post (though, that does not make a whole lot of sense) - or possibly as a mechanic of distraction on a mob for the player to run and escape while the summon tanks/hits the monsters (I've done this with my Carbie, before, if not as happy accidents x.x). But I could be entirely wrong on that.
I don't know the faeries ranges but my Carbie would only poof after I had quite a bit of distance from it.

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Originally Posted by Saseal

I haven't played SCH, only a bit of Arcanist so I can't put TOO much input to it... but, just put Heel next to Stay/Place o.o And then jab the when you're about to run off.

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You only ever really place your Faerie during bosses, so it doesn't follow you and accidentally go out of healing range or if you need it close to certain people for Whispering Dawn. It's pretty easy to forget that your Fairy's been placed if you've been focused on healing for the last 3-10 minutes.

I have heel right next to place and I forget half the time regardless. It's not a huge deal if swiftcast is up, since you can just resummon her on the fly, but it can be pretty irritating to make your whole party wait up for the summon when everybody's all ready to go.

I wish place actually placed my pet I'm tired of being in a fight, placing my pet. It get hit by a nock back attack and it stays in its new place, out of range now, and won't use its attacks. It should return to where it was placed at, not stay rooted where the nock back put it

Oh jeez get over it, getting bored of players complaining and wanting everything in this game to be easy and automatic.
You'll be wanting Aetheflow to trigger automatically when you run out of stacks soon............

Heaven forbid players wanting their pet to be a tiny bit smarter. It's a QoL change, not the huge gameplay change you're making it out to be. You get over it.

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Originally Posted by Niamh_Rillemaugh

You only ever really place your Faerie during bosses, so it doesn't follow you and accidentally go out of healing range or if you need it close to certain people for Whispering Dawn. It's pretty easy to forget that your Fairy's been placed if you've been focused on healing for the last 3-10 minutes.

I have heel right next to place and I forget half the time regardless. It's not a huge deal if swiftcast is up, since you can just resummon her on the fly, but it can be pretty irritating to make your whole party wait up for the summon when everybody's all ready to go.

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Ah, I gotcha!

Its just lazy. Also seeing as a change to pets will affect the others, on SMN/ACN is can be a benefit to have it stay there to tank mobs so you can leave the area and they will reset.
How about you go and lvl your ACN and leave the feedback to people who actually main the class/job.

My point is that your argument about the automatic aetherflow trigger is a fantastic comparison and that you're totally right; having the fairy switch to heel instead of just despawning will absolutely ruin the game and let filthy casuals like myself run amok. Man, thanks for setting me straight.

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Originally Posted by Sanguisio

How about you go and lvl your ACN and leave the feedback to people who actually main the class/job.

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HAH.

No.
LOOKIT ME, TALKIN' ON THE FORUM.

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Originally Posted by Sanguisio

How about you go and lvl your ACN and leave the feedback to people who actually main the class/job.

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Wow. How to fail at social interaction.

It's kind of... weird... to make this about being a good SCH or a bad SCH. Remembering to tie my shoes every morning does not make me a great runner, forgetting to tie my shoes in the morning doesn't even make me a bad runner - though it might mean the next sprint will be my last for a few days - but it has nothing to do with the skill of running. Some people just have better short term memory than others.

Hell, "the absent minded professor" is a thing because spontaneous memory has little to do with skill or intelligence.

I think this would be a nice change, it doesn't really effect the overall flow of the game, but removes one of those little niggling annoyances.

I would just like to say that the comparison to Aetherflow is terrible. I don't want to be forced to put Aetherflow on cooldown to bring my stacks from 2 to 3, or waste time with its casting animation when I really need to heal someone since even a fraction of a second counts. I will manually use Aetherflow.

Awwwww, my point was about something being automatic when it doesnt need to be.

Yup a fail at social interaction, I fail hard at tolerating certain people.

Introduce it to the game, but have it on toggle somehow

I don't think it make anyone lazy, just the pet being dismissed as a consequence is just a little disturbing. Seeing as how the casting time to summon them is a little on the long side, I think it's a little inappropriate to have them dismissed over something as simple as taking that extra step back away from it.

there is something far more annoying then that, you fairy getting killed, while you are runing with your chocobo through the bare land because you happen to cross path with some mobs that try to hit you but dont succeed yet your fairy stops and dies or is out of range because she stopped and you continued runing....while youcannot tell her to follow because you are riding a mount...that is plain silly...but...is no problem, call the pet again and end of story....nothing worrysome about it.

Mei

Well you're riding your chocobo, so you aren't in any imminent danger or n important battle for it to be of annoyance. :P

The OP has a valid point. It is a simple quality of life thing. Programming for the faeries is rather simple in this regard: Stay/Place means the faerie will not move (rather than reverting to a specific location) and, as a separate mechanic, if a summon gets too far away, it disappears. This is an annoyance that every SMN/SCH has to learn to be conscious of and deal with, but I agree that we shouldn't have to. I would like it if the summon changes to Heel right before getting out of range and disappearing because 99.99% of the time, that means you forgot your pet was Placed.

ah, the times I forgot Eos in one place and carried on with the dungeon.
so many :(
eventually I get to the point "wtf, where is Eos, when did she die?", when I remember "ohgod, I placed her D:"
i find it funny, still.
it's like they get angry and just left. I love it xD

I don't see what the problem is tbh. Just place the pet and use heel if your going to a different area, it's really not that hard to do.

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Originally Posted by IceSpear

I don't see what the problem is tbh. Just place the pet and use heel if your going to a different area, it's really not that hard to do.

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It's not a big deal, but what is the point of having updates every few months if they don't improve on things that can be improved on. This is a pretty simple little AI tweak, I know better than anyone how complicated seemingly simple tasks can be in large projects like this, but honestly, if the AI is written in an even half-logical fashion, it shouldn't be more than an hours work for one person to make it so. And while it's not a big deal, it is one small headache that served no purpose done away with. The argument has been made that it's part of a ACN's job to keep track of this sort of thing, but I ask you: How would playing as an ACN job (SCH/SMN) be different in combat, when it mattered, if the pet heeled automatically if you got out of range instead of just disappearing?

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Originally Posted by Urielparadox

I wish place actually placed my pet I'm tired of being in a fight, placing my pet. It get hit by a nock back attack and it stays in its new place, out of range now, and won't use its attacks. It should return to where it was placed at, not stay rooted where the nock back put it

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I love this idea, where ever you placed you fairy it should always make it a priority to stay in that spot.

As for the OP It like any other pet. You tell it to stay it will stay there and not move an inch until you command it, if well trained . Just means your a bad owner lol. I forget a lot to so I'm not putting anyone on the spot. Maybe a text can come up when you are about to be at max range or don't have the fairy disappear at all. If you can see you party members from a distance your fairy should also stay

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Originally Posted by Niamh_Rillemaugh

Heaven forbid players wanting their pet to be a tiny bit smarter. It's a QoL change, not the huge gameplay change you're making it out to be. You get over it.

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Agreed. Sanguisio needs to take a chill pill. QoL change and I support it.

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Originally Posted by Hulan

It's not a big deal, but what is the point of having updates every few months if they don't improve on things that can be improved on. This is a pretty simple little AI tweak, I know better than anyone how complicated seemingly simple tasks can be in large projects like this, but honestly, if the AI is written in an even half-logical fashion, it shouldn't be more than an hours work for one person to make it so. And while it's not a big deal, it is one small headache that served no purpose done away with. The argument has been made that it's part of a ACN's job to keep track of this sort of thing, but I ask you: How would playing as an ACN job (SCH/SMN) be different in combat, when it mattered, if the pet heeled automatically if you got out of range instead of just disappearing?

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Sure it maybe a simple tweak, but what about the more important things like balancing, bugs all that crap. Just because someone doesn't want to pay attention to their pet doesn't mean they should automatically get the developers to fix it. It's not a small headache it's not even a problem, if you can't keep track of your pet then go play a different class.

well, since its been more than a year, now im used to use heel on my pet when its placed in order to follow me, so, if the game is like this I dont see a reason to change it