Pulling big

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09-26-2014, 12:05 PM
Foxen

Pulling big

So running low level DF I have often found that parties (or just some tanks) tend to gather multiple trash groups together before stopping and wiping them out. Normally playing heals, I haven't had much problem keeping anyone alive, but I tend to have to spam heals and nothing else. This typically isn't an issue (unless hate starts flying around every which way) but I always question if it is really helpful/faster to do trash mobs this way?

Logically, won't it still take the same amount of time to burn equal amounts of mob hp? Plus, when I don't have to spam heals I always will join in the dps fun. Wouldn't that be more beneficial than if I am constantly pumping cure? I guess I'm just asking if there is a reason for this or if I should just "meh, lolDF" and blow it off.

Ps. I'll guess that this has been over-discussed, but I couldn't find anything in search >,<'
09-26-2014, 12:08 PM
Heskett

It's faster when you have DPS classes with huge AOE damage (Black mage). Big pulls when you have just DRGs or MNKs are kinda moot, yes.
09-26-2014, 12:14 PM
Sapphic

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Originally Posted by Heskett

It's faster when you have DPS classes with huge AOE damage (Black mage). Big pulls when you have just DRGs or MNKs are kinda moot, yes.

Don't underestimate DRG/MNK on large trash pulls. With decent gear of course can burn them pretty quick, plus MNKs mantra can help the healer a lot too. Obv, not as fast as BLM. Also, WAR played well can dish out some tasty AE damage (poor PLDs).
09-26-2014, 12:17 PM
CGMidlander

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Originally Posted by Heskett

It's faster when you have DPS classes with huge AOE damage (Black mage). Big pulls when you have just DRGs or MNKs are kinda moot, yes.

Doom spike is actually strong. PB+Rockbreaker is also pretty strong.

But yes, in low level DF, it really doesn't make sense to pull big if the dungeon is below the level which the party's DPS classes get their AOE attacks.
09-26-2014, 12:18 PM
Dwill

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

Doom spike is actually strong. PB+Rockbreaker is also pretty strong.

But yes, in low level DF, it really doesn't make sense to pull big if the dungeon is below the level which the party's DPS classes get their AOE attacks.

Pretty true. In low level dungeons, it's more efficient to do smaller pulls but have the healer toss Cleric Stance and join the fun.
09-26-2014, 12:31 PM
Ooshima

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

Doom spike is actually strong. PB+Rockbreaker is also pretty strong.

But yes, in low level DF, it really doesn't make sense to pull big if the dungeon is below the level which the party's DPS classes get their AOE attacks.

THM/BLM AoE sucked in low level until they get their Astral/Umbral III capabilities, because Transposing to change stance is a little ugh. Would have been better if they destroy trash single target with healer popping in, especially if the healer is a ACN/SCH, pet heal only lol.
09-26-2014, 12:38 PM
Avarghaladion

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Originally Posted by Heskett

It's faster when you have DPS classes with huge AOE damage (Black mage). Big pulls when you have just DRGs or MNKs are kinda moot, yes.

Depending on the level, all jobs have pretty effective AoE. It actually drives me crazy when a MNK refuses to AoE on the grounds that their AoE isn't any good... MNK AoE rotation is insane. Also, it's really easy to see which attack is worth doing in which situation by factoring in the potency and the number of mobs you'd be hitting with the AoE attack. It doesn't take many mobs for pretty much every AoE attack to blow ST attacks away in overall DPS. If I pell 15 mobs and one DPS attacks one at a time and the other AoEs, the one STing may as well just go afk lol
09-26-2014, 12:38 PM
WellGramarye

TANK BLM BLM/BRD WHM

Grab everything -> buff self -> BLM Flare rotation with WHM Holy for stun/dmg and then intermidant healing. Most dungeons run in a matter of minutes.

At lower levels Bane/Fire2 is good for the same. AOEs aren't really worth it unless 4+ mobs though.
09-26-2014, 12:40 PM
Sessurea

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Originally Posted by Heskett

It's faster when you have DPS classes with huge AOE damage (Black mage). Big pulls when you have just DRGs or MNKs are kinda moot, yes.

Actually blms suck at aoeing until 50, and drgs are pretty good earlier on xD Ts is talking about low lvl roulette here, if any1 missed that.
09-26-2014, 12:42 PM
LTEvil

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Originally Posted by Avarghaladion

Depending on the level, all jobs have pretty effective AoE. It actually drives me crazy when a MNK refuses to AoE on the grounds that their AoE isn't any good... MNK AoE rotation is insane. Also, it's really easy to see which attack is worth doing in which situation by factoring in the potency and the number of mobs you'd be hitting with the AoE attack. It doesn't take many mobs for pretty much every AoE attack to blow ST attacks away in overall DPS. If I pell 15 mobs and one DPS attacks one at a time and the other AoEs, the one STing may as well just go afk lol

He said BIG aoe, drg mnk trash aoe spam is not BIG aoe
09-26-2014, 12:46 PM
Stormrider

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Originally Posted by WellGramarye

TANK BLM BLM/BRD WHM

Grab everything -> buff self -> BLM Flare rotation with WHM Holy for stun/dmg and then intermidant healing. Most dungeons run in a matter of minutes.

I think he was meaning stuff before brayflox. Always seem to get that one guy who thinks people below level 30 have huge aoe. I am sure someone has done the math but it seems faster to single target and have healer dps the whole run. You cna't be really over geared since you are level capped. For 50+ with ilvls getting out of control i wouldn't be surprised if some aoe pulls are faster then single target.
09-26-2014, 12:51 PM
WellGramarye

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Originally Posted by Stormrider

I think he was meaning stuff before brayflox. Always seem to get that one guy who thinks people below level 30 have huge aoe. I am sure someone has done the math but it seems faster to single target and have healer dps the whole run. You cna't be really over geared since you are level capped. For 50+ with ilvls getting out of control i wouldn't be surprised if some aoe pulls are faster then single target.

I missed the part of low level, which is why I edited. With bard and blm you can still do big pulls sub 30, but it requires having a Scholar for a healer, since the pet can solo heal the dungeons.
09-26-2014, 01:37 PM
Sadana

People trying to speed run dungeons in order to get out faster. /shrugs
It is not always more efficient. (Especially when someone can't keep up. People wipe, then they rage, and of course it takes longer than doing the dungeon at a normal pace.) I wouldn't mind get some actual times on dungeons run these two ways (by the same people) to see if, at the lower levels, it really makes any difference.
09-26-2014, 01:40 PM
ChaozK

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Actually blms suck at aoeing until 50, and drgs are pretty good earlier on xD

This has me somewhat puzzled, considering DRG doesnt unlock its first AOE until lvl 42 (so its the dps that gets its AOE the latest).

Once they have it though, they have strong burst AOE indeed. MNK AOE while rather low on potency, at least is a bit more sustainable than other physical dps. So fairly usable AOE as well.