Picking up adds

Hello! I M leveling a Paladin and hit 37 yesterday. For the most part I am not having major troubles (although it's really hard to stun with shield bash being on gcd) but the last boss of haukke is simply a nightmare. No matter what I do, I can't seem to hold hate on the bombs. I shield lob them as soon as i see them on the enemy list (I am playing on ps3 and scroll the enemy list with R1+up/down to target) and then flash while they're not yet at melee range for my hate combo, but most times something goes wrong during flash, or even before that, and the bombs will run for the healer and it's impossible to get them back.
Now haukke is easy and there's nothing to worry, but I fear I'm doing it wrong and it might give me serious issues in harder content. Haukke is really the only place I have troubles with adds, but I noticed if I don't get to them very quickly (in other dungeons), it's extremely easy to lose hate.
Any suggestions please?

I have played this on as a healer (haven't yet played as my pally. However even if I get adds I then run over to the tank so they can pull them off. Or the DPS pulls them off.

I could be wrong, but don't the bombs just explode and die after a little while? You probably don't need to pick them up at all.

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Originally Posted by JoeDono

I could be wrong, but don't the bombs just explode and die after a little while? You probably don't need to pick them up at all.

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Yeah it's not an issue in haukke, they're weak, but if it doesn't work there ot may not work for content where taking adds actually matters.

Sasoriza, no one brings me the adds, ever :(

they dont bring adds cause they have proll never touched tank, i tank as my main but when i want to dps i do what i can tio help the tank ie, swap targets when i pull aggro, run to the tank etc

Yeah, most people who don't usually tank don't realize how aggravating it is to run behind adds because the dps/heal don't want to bring them to you. That's how we learn.

I wouldn't worry too much about these bombs. I can't say for certain, but I am pretty sure that these particular bombs ignore the usual aggro table used by most mobs. They choose a target and chase it down the end of the world.... Until they suicide.

So yeah, have no fear.

A big part of it is just going to be just learning the fights. Know when the adds are going to pop, and where, and do what you can to be there. If you know adds pop when the boss is at 70%, stop doing GCD stuff at 71-73% (depends on how fast it's going down) and get your target switching fingers ready. If it's a fight where they pop in the same place, and it's safe to drag the boss there, do it.

Also, don't panic, prioritize. This also comes with knowing the fights. Which adds are the most dangerous? How fast are they going to die? If it seems like chaos, take a breath and go one GCD at a time, since that's about all you can do anyway.

With most fights, the adds fall into one of four categories. 1) You need to pick this up NOW. 2) You need to pick this up before it causes too much damage to someone else. 3) You probably can just ignore this. 4) You are SUPPOSED to ignore this.

The only ones you really need to freak out about are category 1, and those pretty much always spawn at a predictable time and in a predictable place. And you won't run into them until 50. Use the time until then to practice calmness and prioritization.

It sounds like you understand the tools you have available. Don't worry if you can't always hold enmity on many targets. It's actually normal and there are situations where it is impossible in this game to hold everything, especially when multiple adds spawn in scattered positions across the room and dps are going for the kill before you get a chance to tag them all.

You may want to cancel the Medica buff as the bombs are coming out - that's probably why they're going straight for the healer. This can also help before pulling a fresh pack in any dungeon, although I'm not sure if the healer will pull aggro via Medica if your HP is topped off.

I'm not sure what you mean by Medica buff, if it's the regen from Medica II, I am talking about Haukke NM, it's not available yet. But yeah I know what you mean, I main WHM so I am always careful with my regen and know to take it off before pulling.

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I wouldn't worry too much about these bombs. I can't say for certain, but I am pretty sure that these particular bombs ignore the usual aggro table used by most mobs. They choose a target and chase it down the end of the world.... Until they suicide.

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This is actually what I started to think. All I've found in guides is that they chase the players who are trying to disable the lamps, so maybe that's why some people get aggro all of a sudden. I honestly never worried with guides for low level dungeons because I have done them ad nauseam as a healer, I think I know everything there is to know about them :/

Thanks for the reassurance guys, I'm feeling more confident about my tanking abilities :)

The bombs just act as an interrupt when casting or disabling lamps. They can be problematic if they are up when adds spawn from quick phase pushes, or the tank is getting trucked, because of how they can prevent heals from going out. But they die off quickly enough most groups just put up with this small annoyance until they suicide.

Chances are if you tried to help dps them as a tank you risk losing hate on the boss.

There are adds you will ignore on certain bosses. The bombs are 1 of them. Dps can kill them in a few hits, or just let them explode. The best way to grab adds, since the bombs/90% of adds always spawn in the same place. Is have your hate combo started, and use the second/third part the second the mob spawns, while already standing in place. You should preptivly be where the add will spawn. But for haukk just let your dps handle them. I ussual grab them as a dps because it's easy for me to just let them explode where as I have seen lots of tanks die to then exploding

Just leave the bombs. DPS "should" be taking care of those. Just stay focused on the boss and stun when you can and get out of her shitty AOE when warrented. The only time grabbing adds really matters is when the two batchicks and the eye pops. I usually try to position myself in the spot the eye pops, then run and gather the two ladies, get them all in one spot together and have the (hopefully in the party) Mage DPS LB them all. Then DPS can whittle down whats left, finish the boss and Bob's your uncle.

Sometimes as a tank, you have to make that decision of, do I fight to get that back or just let it be. Letting it be is sometimes the way to go because most times it will be dead rather quick and whoever it is hitting should be able to take a couple.

Hope it helps!

In Haukke normal mode the crucial moment is when last adds appear, and they usually go to the healer. It's the healer the one who has to run to you and allow you to pick them. I learnt this when leveling the WHM after being there as PLD lots of times. (No problem as PLD, as a new WHM the mobs made a bee line to me, lol, I had to learn to give them to the tank.) It depends on the group, but if there is a lot of damage and therefore a lot of healing, the adds will go to the healer right away. Avoiding AoE means less heals and less healer aggro too.

Usually you shouldn't have to worry too much about the bombs, they do what they like, just not get killed by them, pick them if you can but not focus on them all your attention.

It seems you do well: shield lob, flash a lot, rage of halone combo, rotate mobs, attack the one who is losing aggro... You normally will be expecting the adds to come and know where they will be appearing so it's easier to pick them ASAP.

As far as I know, the Bombs in Haukke Manor (normal) can not be aggro, it will fixate its target on whoever turned off the light pedestal. Usually when I'm with a pre-made group helping new players to the dungeon I'd ask the healer to stay off the switching duty and leave it to the DPS and me so that the healing doesn't get interrupt. Tank close to one of the switch and have DPSs take care of 3 switches but like people above said, the Bombs die fast anyway so just focus on the boss and grabing the adds when they spawn.

This is just how I do it but I'm sure a healer could also just kite if they choose to especially if you have 2 range DPS in the group, there are other options.

Bombs attack players that are interacting with lamps so tank will lose hate on bomb add every time someone put off the lamp. The coolest thing in Haukke is when tank dash to caster dps or heal to kill add and get boss cleave on those party members. Just shield lob or tomahawk bomb as it spawn, hit it as much as you can while you have enmity and then lat the dps finish it off when you lose enmity - don't run around chasing bombs.

Not all adds should be handled by tank.