Why can't we have a dancer class? And why can't we expand on the bard?

I know we have bard, but I'd really like to see a dancer class in the game.

As for expanding bard, I think it would be awesome if bards could play their own music crafted in a music language.

Imagine if each bard had one crafted song for each of their songs and they could play these songs in battle for an uplifting melody in combat or as a joyful tune for a party!

The same reason SE said we don't have a true pet job :/

"It'd be stressful for new players"

After seeing them say just that, I gave up hope for any cool jobs, like pup or geo

I'm sure in the upcoming years we'll see many classic jobs. But who knows how they'll implement them. I'm not familiar with ff11, but what can dancers do that bards can't with thier songs.

Its fairly easy for SE to make more status buff, debuff and regen for bards with the way its set up.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I'm sure in the upcoming years we'll see many classic jobs. But who knows how they'll implement them. I'm not familiar with ff11, but what can dancers do that bards can't with thier songs.

Its fairly easy for SE to make more status buff, debuff and regen for bards with the way its set up.

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I'd see dancers as more of a healing/support class than the bard.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

The same reason SE said we don't have a true pet job :/

"It'd be stressful for new players"

After seeing them say just that, I gave up hope for any cool jobs, like pup or geo

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I'm sick of them treating us like idiots.
Everyone was new at first...we all learned as we went.
Jesus.

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Originally Posted by ariaandkia

I'd see dancers as more of a healing/support class than the bard.

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They tried something different and it turned crappy. A support/DPS thing
where a lot of bards don't bother singing for crap.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

I'm sick of them treating us like idiots.
Everyone was new at first...we all learned as we went.
Jesus.

They tried something different and it turned crappy. A support/DPS thing
where a lot of bards don't bother singing for crap.

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Yeah, really, I'd want them to add a dancer class as a healer class rather than a dps class.

Why can't people start a thread that doesn't start out "why can't we have"?

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Originally Posted by RakaMaimhov

Why can't people start a thread that doesn't start out "why can't we have"?

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cuz this is #murica and we want all the cheeseburgers.

3.0 better change Bard to work on a similar system to Ninjas Mudra abilities. That is all.

The classes and jobs have to be different from FFXI. So if they make a dancer, it will be completely different than it was in FFXI.

I created a dancer mock-up in my Job/Class Suggestion thread as well.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

They tried something different and it turned crappy. A support/DPS thing where a lot of bards don't bother singing for crap.

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That seems like it's more a problem with the people who play the job than the job itself.

If a Bard isn't singing their songs when it would support their party members, it doesn't matter how much damage they're doing, they're a bad Bard.

Because balance. Or Something.

Because you been a naughty boy

Nothing says we cant have dancer class...I expect to see it before musketeer....

we cant expand on bard because I personally don't think "they" know what bard is...

I'm really sick and tired of the devs thinking we're so dumb. Yes, some of us aren't very skilled and as players we're mediocre, but sometimes that doesn't cater to our general intellect. Sigh...

I don't get how it being "stressful" for new players is a real excuse :/ They really do seem to think most of us have never played a mmo before (some haven't, but still), even for new people, it's not that hard to learn a job. The way I see it, they should just add the job how it's meant to be played, if a player finds it too "stressful", then don't play the job, it's simple.

Not to be "that guy", but I'd rather have some complex jobs and such. Sure, it might turn off some players from playing as those, but the ones who actually do play it, you'd know they'd be good at it. Maybe then we wouldn't see a horde of people playing a job poorly, looking at you, brds who don't sing...ever or mnks who don't move lol I kind of hope nin is more complex than the other jobs, doubt it, seeing as how they pretty much all play the same with minor differences. Not trying to call people out, but bad people playing a good job can give the job a bad reputation :/

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Originally Posted by PureEclipse

we cant expand on bard because I personally don't think "they" know what bard is...

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Then I expect dancer's dances to work exactly like bard.

To be honest, the songs that bards play doesn't make sense to me. Okay, you have a progress bar that fills up as you play the song, so shouldn't the effect be active while you play...not after you play? Say I get past that and I believe that other players gets the refreshing effects after listening to the song. So why can you dictate when it ends for other players? Suppose I accept that it's magical considering the songs use up mana. But is it magical songs or just plain magic? It seems more magic than song considering I'm exerting effort with mana while /not/ singing songs so is the singing part actually required or not?

Why do OP think we don't get a dancer class in the future?
Is there somewhere infos about it?

Dancer would be nice as a healer because they'll be frontline healers which is something different; however, I do see some problems with a dancer healer because many AOE attacks like in garuda extreme do target healers so they might be very dangerous to use in certain battles, but the benefit this game has is that deadly frontline attacks can be avoided unlike in other games so they have a even bigger chance of making an appearance. Final Fantasy XI almost had the perfect concept in mind for how a dancer should work, the reason why dancers were discouraged from doing there intended role is because in that game frontline healers were unrealistic due to the high volume of deadly attacks, and no clear role identifier like this game has FF11 also has one of the percent skill setup that could work for the class/job.

1.) Curing Waltz (Basic Cure)
2.) Healing Waltz (Esuna)
3.) Drain Samba (Regen based on hits on mobs)

If Sqaure made a complex job most players would look up online strategies and tactics for that job and learn how to use it.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

Dancer would be nice as a healer because they'll be frontline healers which is something different; however, I do see some problems with a dancer healer because many AOE attacks like in garuda extreme do target healers so they might be very dangerous to use in certain battles

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I think you're forgetting Ifrit EX. I love XI's version of dancer (dual wielding daggers, heal dances are instant but have cooldown and cost TP instead, has a combo point mechanic like wrath that lets then convert it back to TP or other effects) but imagining that kind of healing dancer in ifrit ex, well, I can't imagine it going well. Now that I think about it, there's T7 too? I'm sure there's more. The idea of a melee healer in this game is starting to sound implausible...

Throwing daggers maybe? I don't think a 25 yalm long whip is a usable weapon.

I don't get why they wont add something if it's complex... For the most part, you do not need to maximize your Jobs rotation for casual content, that is only for endgame content where you usually have the complexity of fights as well, so it's already content the "simple" wont be doing anyway...

Then there's tanks. Tanks aren't exactly complex, but their role already puts the majority off (hence the lack of tanks); people are put off from tanking, yet you still put tanks in the game... Tanks are required but complexity isn't? Well, sure, if you only want to pander to the lowest common denominator. If you want your game to be great then you put complexity in it... That way it appeals to a wider range of people... Calling your player base too stupid for something is the kind of thing I expect from EA, not SE...

Yoshida wants to copy all the themeparks that went F2P in the last 4 years and make it a subscription model game. Since all his actions generally fit that assumption, he'd need to be replaced as head designer for something creative like that to be added. Either that or he has an epiphany that not listening to feedback is a bad idea and starts doing something about it.

Of course, the game has to survive long enough for those things to occur, which isn't looking too good given the direction of the expansion pack.

You can have Dancer and you already have Bard. Just don't expect them to be anything like in XI. These are different games. Dancer would probably be a melee dps with a whip and some aoe support abilities like Bard if it were added in here.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

The same reason SE said we don't have a true pet job :/

"It'd be stressful for new players"

After seeing them say just that, I gave up hope for any cool jobs, like pup or geo

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Yeah, we're too dumb apparently to get anything remotely interesting. I'd rather be 'stressed' then fall asleep playing, tbh lol.

The game can't stray from the holy trinity! they based the entire game system on the fact that everyone will technically do the same thing if they fall into the one of 3 rolls.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

The game can't stray from the holy trinity! they based the entire game system on the fact that everyone will technically do the same thing if they fall into the one of 3 rolls.

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I've healed and DPS'ed as a tank. I've tanked and healed as a DPS. I've tanked and DPS'ed as a healer.

Honestly, there should be no reason why we can't have a healer that can also close range DPS. I mean, I often am in melee range when I heal. Ifrit, Garuda, etc.

As long as the heals can be used at a reasonably long range, it shouldn't be hard for someone to heal when they are further and DPS+heal when they are closer.