PETITION - Personal Housing

Doubt you're going to revert it now (you should though), so do this SE & fast (within the week max):

Add a minimum of 4 more Wards right away.

Cut Personal Housing prices in half (reimburse 50% to whomever has already purchased a home since patch).

Seperate Private Wards from FC Wards entirely (reimburse in full to those who've bought into mixed Wards).

If there's enough demand, also spruce up the Goblet some more.

If anything, slash prices in half & reimburse.

If I had it my way we would've had an instanced, privatized home to ourselves that isn't part of a community ward whatsoever... folding them into the current layouts/neighborhoods is pretty weak IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

Add a minimum of 4 more Wards right away.

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Each ward is a zone, which is a physical machine, so, having 30 game worlds, each having 4 wards, 120 machines ...

Don't hold your breath.

Well they are about to add 8 more wards and double the existing homes in all so that will at least double give you 3 times more room to purchase in 2.4

Yeah... but if you really read the last few lines in his reply to all the complaints it really sounds like they will "try" to get the extra wards in 2.4, but not exactly a promise either.

They will need to add a lot more wards to satisfy the wants of the populous. Especially if the prices are to be cut by half.
Separating FC from it is something that probably should happen.

I'd rather they work on quadrupling the number of wards for 2.4.
Drop the cost of plots overall by a significant amount; for individuals and FCs.
Add a 35 day tax that needs to be payed to keep the plot.
Base the tax on the size of the plot and the number of people owning it (individuals pay less than FCs).

The idea behind paying for plots was for it to be a Gil sink. It isn't. You pay it, then you have a house and there is no real significant Gil sink left in the game; you just keep making Gil. Adding a tax means you can drop the initial cost, pleasing most people, but eventually they'll be paying more through the tax. Since it's a lower amount though, it's more manageable. It stops FCs from hoarding a plot if people leave, currently a 12 man FC could have bought a plot, but as long as 1 person remains they can keep that plot - if they had to pay a tax that reflected a FC then they'd stand to lose it.

I mean really... Consider how much Gil this game throws at you through; FATEs, Levequests, regular quests, Dailies, Duty Roulette, Dungeon mobs, Hunt Marks, and Gods knows what else I'm forgetting. The only Gil sinks in the game are all completely avoidable too; Teleport fees? Walk everywhere or use Allied Seals. Market Board fees? Trade directly. Repair fees? Go level a craft you lazy bum. Housing Tax would be avoidable too I guess, but people actually want Housing. The only working tax I can think of is the vanity tax that has you shelling out millions for mounts and minions (from beast tribes mainly), but that is a one time deal too.

Left as it is, the amount of Gil per server is just going to keep rising, and Housing isn't going to do anything about that except alienate people because the price has to be so high to make up for the fact that this game has no Gil sink.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

Cut Personal Housing prices in half (reimburse 50% to whomever has already purchased a home since patch).

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That is ridiculous. Personal housing will never be an achievement and bragging right if they are that cheap. If SE do what you suggest it completely belittles the entire purpose of a personal house.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

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That is ridiculous. Personal housing will never be an achievement and bragging right if they are that cheap. If SE do what you suggest it completely belittles the entire purpose of a personal house.

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Why should a personal house be an "achievement"? In XI I got a mog house and all I had to do was subscribe and create a character. XIV players are too elitist. Everything has to be out of reach of the average paying subscriber. It's absurd.

Nope dont agree with OP maybe if his opinion wernt er so much as HIS opinion and maybe if they didnt sound so entitled then I would of sided

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

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That is ridiculous. Personal housing will never be an achievement and bragging right if they are that cheap. If SE do what you suggest it completely belittles the entire purpose of a personal house.

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I want it for the utility and a place which I can call home. Please leave achievements and bragging rights out of personal housing.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

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That is ridiculous. Personal housing will never be an achievement and bragging right if they are that cheap. If SE do what you suggest it completely belittles the entire purpose of a personal house.

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Look. A reason to use the /slap emote.

Yeah they are just going to fix that up in a week, I know nothing about coding or server infrastructure but it's possible because I'm mad.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

Yeah they are just going to fix that up in a week, I know nothing about coding or server infrastructure but it's possible because I'm mad.

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With the manpower/networth they have & investing their resources toward a single end-goal of this kind... very doable to get us 4 Wards in a week's time, I'm certain of it. Doesn't require a genius.

Also, who says I know nothing about it; don't slander me because you're prideful.

Yeah you know nothing about it, they cant do this in a week stop having a tantrum.

House are cheap. Add wards, that's it.

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Originally Posted by Ravno

House are cheap. Add wards, that's it.

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Issue is Yoshi told us to expect Personal Housing to be 'far cheaper' than FC Housing.

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Originally Posted by Zirael_Foxfire

https://i.imgur.com/g1Zcr2L.png

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Housing was a LIE all along!

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

Issue is Yoshi told us to expect Personal Housing to be 'far cheaper' than FC Housing.

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Issue is there is not enought house for all players.
Personal Housing is far cheaper than FC Housing back in 2.0/2.1.
Actually, you can get a small house with 4/5 hours of work to get the gils. Back then, it was an other story.

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Originally Posted by Ravno

Issue is there is not enought house for all players.
Personal Housing is far cheaper than FC Housing back in 2.0/2.1.
Actually, you can get a small house with 4/5 hours of work to get the gils. Back then, it was an other story.

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Do explain how the average, casual player can get a Personal house the way things are at this moment. Please, show me your sagely wisdom. I could use the pointers

The price is almost irrelevant next to the amount of plots provided.

Even if they were 80times cheaper the plots (even if they were doubled!) are only enough for a small tiny fraction of a fraction of the playerbase.

And that's not even including the 855.000+ FC who are competing (with pooled gil!) for the same plots.

The whole thing being marketed as personal housing for the players is a total lie.

Players did not get personal housing with this fiasco. A few select individuals among players got the same system that already existed in the game.

All this time they stalled by saying they're working on personal housing is a lie. They just lifted a restriction from existing content essentially ruining it's whole purpose in the process.

personal housing =/= FC housing, they must make them different, it was not needed to have a house with a big garden, but a sort of condo with a balcony in the city... it was easier to make this than what we have.

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Originally Posted by Wyrmnus

Do explain how the average, casual player can get a Personal house the way things are at this moment. Please, show me your sagely wisdom. I could use the pointers

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Get few FC members who need gils, do a party, put synth buff on, get some gear i45+ from Mor Dhona and/or crafter farm/synth & sell. With few IV materia who sell over 600K that can be quick.
And if you quick enought you can get a small house on the gobelet for 1M5 to 2M if you check the old wards where the price is lower.

On my server, me and 5 of my guildmates take a house next to each other for this price.

http://www.meboxmedia.com/wp-content...-have-both.jpg

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Wonder if they could just work it so there are two types of Personal Housing;

The instance version, which is relatively cheap and locked away in an instance, allowing for nigh-limitless amounts of players to purchase them.
The neighborhood version, which is much the same as FC Housing, but with a greater cost as a result.

They probably should just do that, lets face it, plenty of people are making solo FCs just to do that anyway.

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Some people like being in a virtual neighborhood. Others just want a House to call their own. Why can't we just have both?

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Wonder if they could just work it so there are two types of Personal Housing;

The instance version, which is relatively cheap and locked away in an instance, allowing for nigh-limitless amounts of players to purchase them.
The neighborhood version, which is much the same as FC Housing, but with a greater cost as a result.

They probably should just do that, lets face it, plenty of people are making solo FCs just to do that anyway.

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That's the point of the FC room right ?

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Originally Posted by Ravno

That's the point of the FC room right ?

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A Room =/= a House.

Also, people without a FC House? Main reason Private Rooms should have been Private Inn Rooms from the beginning.

If absolutely everyone could have a Private Room, I'm sure that would reduce a lot of the tension, but they opted to lock that behind FC Housing for Gods knows what reason. I don't know about everyone else, but they probably could just work Private Rooms into an instanced Personal Housing; there are plenty Inns around Eorzea, they could just give us a room with a balcony for us to customize. Why didn't they do that over the past nine months, instead of the literal nothing they actually did?

I'm sure some people would still want an actual House to customize, but meh. In a debate of instanced verses non-instanced, I really don't get why we can't have both...

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Originally Posted by Seif

Housing was a LIE all along!

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Yeah, they need a ton more if they want a reasonable amount of people to be able to get one.
The ward system was a cool idea on paper, but if the implementation is so taxing for square that they not only have to share it with the Free Companies, but also only get a few new wards every month, maybe it wasn't such a good idea at all.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

http://www.meboxmedia.com/wp-content...-have-both.jpg

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This'd be fine with me if they actually did that.

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Originally Posted by Ravno

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Wonder if they could just work it so there are two types of Personal Housing;

The instance version, which is relatively cheap and locked away in an instance, allowing for nigh-limitless amounts of players to purchase them.
The neighborhood version, which is much the same as FC Housing, but with a greater cost as a result.

They probably should just do that, lets face it, plenty of people are making solo FCs just to do that anyway.

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That's the point of the FC room right ?

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What if your housing is instanced, and you get to choose the backdrop beyond the garden fence? I for sure would love to have a permanent snowy background with glittering Starlight Celebration lights, or have a house in the middle of a sparkling blue lake. All include weather effects and day/night. But I'm not sure how much server load it will take up.

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Originally Posted by Ravno

Get few FC members who need gils, do a party, put synth buff on, get some gear i45+ from Mor Dhona and/or crafter farm/synth & sell. With few IV materia who sell over 600K that can be quick.
And if you quick enought you can get a small house on the gobelet for 1M5 to 2M if you check the old wards where the price is lower.

On my server, me and 5 of my guildmates take a house next to each other for this price.

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What if I don't want to team up with random people? What if I don't have said FC or resources for all we care?

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Originally Posted by Wyrmnus

What if I don't want to team up with random people? What if I don't have said FC or resources for all we care?

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If you don't want to spend time to get something, you will not get it. That's perfectly fine and working as intended.
The same go for pvp reward, beast tribes quest, crafting ...
If you don't like this kind of mechanism, i strongly advise you to stop playing mmo.

Hey Ravno, it's called "PERSONAL HOUSING".

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Originally Posted by Ravno

If you don't want to spend time to get something, you will not get it. That's perfectly fine and working as intended.
The same go for pvp reward, beast tribes quest, crafting ...
If you don't like this kind of mechanism, i strongly advise you to stop playing mmo.

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Gambling on to much RNG and hoping you actually get said materia that is worth that much as well as competing agaisnt half the server (as well as rmt) doing the exact same thing, AND someone having the time to sit there SBING all day to get the materia, and then you suggest "Get a few FC members" when the entire reason behind this is personal housing.. which ONE player can own. Not a good suggestion.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

Hey Ravno, it's called "PERSONAL HOUSING".

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I see nothing in "personal housing" that mean it should be available without any time investissement. And 2 to 4M is not much. In fact, if you want something fancy, you will pay a lot more to get the fourniture.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

Gambling on to much RNG and hoping you actually get said materia that is worth that much as well as competing agaisnt half the server (as well as rmt) doing the exact same thing, AND someone having the time to sit there SBING all day to get the materia, and then you suggest "Get a few FC members" when the entire reason behind this is personal housing.. which ONE player can own. Not a good suggestion.

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That work well, and fast. Few hours is enought and no need to spend the whole day. As for competing against half the server, since the other half is buying materia to make his novus weapon, that's fine.
Anyway, that's just one exemple. There is a tons of ways to get gils in this game.
Sure, if you're only focused on your ilvl, you will not get more than that.

Just going to throw this in here. If you read closely to Yoshi's response to the outrage, he's almost confirming the extra wards will not be ready.

/facepalm.. This Thread Petition is stupid.. Yoshi P already explained the situtation about this..... and Yet you go on and put in a petition for it... UGH

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Originally Posted by Sevokevo_Royuki

/facepalm.. This Thread Petition is stupid.. Yoshi P already explained the situtation about this..... and Yet you go on and put in a petition for it... UGH

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Oh dear... You gonna be OK?

I am a average player, I work 13 hours a day and play 3 hours a day dedicated to earning gil. I stopped playing for half a year because of work, I came back during the Anniversary event. I had about 200k gil in my bank at that time.

In anticipation for Personal Housing, I started playing everyday and earning gil in every way possible. Since the anniversary event hit midway till now, I made a total of 4.6m. Through dailies, marks, running dungeons, seals and whatnot.

It ain't impossible. People who say it's hard to make gil in this game are lazy. I play goddamn 3-4 hours a day max on weekdays, a lil longer on weekends. I still made plenty.

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I still haven't finished T2 nor have I even touched Atma, that's how casual I am with this game.

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Originally Posted by AttacKat

Each ward is a zone, which is a physical machine, so, having 30 game worlds, each having 4 wards, 120 machines ...

Don't hold your breath.

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I wish people understood this more. It's like the company can make decisions just by looking at the community complaining about personal housing and say, "oh, let's just install those 15 servers we have in the back and add those wards. Should only take a few days" (when in reality they have to order the servers, have them delivered, installed, configured and tested. Could take months).

If anyone understood game development, they'd understand that things change and timelines change. Now this doesn't excuse the fact he said it would be different, that's just Yoshi-P's bad and he should have been a bit more tight lipped about it.

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Originally Posted by xXRaineXx

I am a average player, I work 13 hours a day and play 3 hours a day dedicated to earning gil. I stopped playing for half a year because of work, I came back during the Anniversary event. I had about 200k gil in my bank at that time.

In anticipation for Personal Housing, I started playing everyday and earning gil in every way possible. Since the anniversary event hit midway till now, I made a total of 4.6m. Through dailies, marks, running dungeons, seals and whatnot.

It ain't impossible. People who say it's hard to make gil in this game are lazy. I play goddamn 3-4 hours a day max on weekdays, a lil longer on weekends. I still made plenty.

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I still haven't finished T2 nor have I even touched Atma, that's how casual I am with this game.

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Okay then YOU explain a common, easily accessible way to make such bank for ANY SORT OF PLAYER since you wanna talk to confident. Pretty please? I'd honestly like to learn.