So the community starts to see this structural behaviour the dev team has. Just a quick summary of what numerous threads complain about.
- the development team lies
- the development team lacks foresight
- the development team lacks transparency (a nicer way to say they lie)
- the devlopoment team manages RMT in the shadows
- the development team does not reward legit players (housing prices too high)
- the development team rewards RMT (indirectly)
- the development team is lazy
- the development team uses similar excuses for a wide range of questions
Now, these aren't new things thrown at the dev team. However for example, when after a year we get this response and I quote: "The development team has been making the most of limited server resources"*, questions turn into demands and the already heated forums are no longer a place for solid feedback.
Why is this a problem? This has nothing to do whether personal housing should be in the game or not. When there is a 170 + page thread (probably 180 + by now) going on, people want it. I vouch for things people want in an MMO I play. I have fate in the developers to implement things people want where it would not be gamebraking or a complete mess (hunts for example, hence lack of foresight).
If you think the English forums are harsh, head over to the JP forums. Things are personal over there, I can tell you that!
*How is/are server capacity/recources limited when we have 400K subscribers (probably way more) generating $4 million a month? Can we have some transparency what limited server recources constitutes to?
Tokyo, we have a problem..
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09-16-2014, 07:57 PMabzoluutTokyo, we have a problem..
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09-16-2014, 08:01 PMLexxuk
it's way more than 400k, recently Yoshi said 500k players log in daily, and way more less frequently, though as we know Yoshi
LIESis economical with the truth so its probably 27 people and a cat. -
09-16-2014, 09:00 PMabzoluut
I just want a solid response and not a vague answer with the word "limitation" in it.
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09-16-2014, 09:01 PMTeirshinROFLMAO..... omg I so needed that this morning....Quote:
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What type of cat though? Probably a type thats just lyin around...... :p -
09-16-2014, 09:38 PMIriadysa
I think we should ask for Yoshida's IMMEDIATE resignation, a public apology and a signed contract that ensures he'll never work on another video game for at least three years.
We have been BETRAYED and this can't be allowed to pass. What is next, if we let this through? They will start asking for real money on housing!
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09-16-2014, 09:43 PMFatedWait, you mean I have to pay a second mortgage now just to play FFXIV?Quote:
Originally Posted by Iriadysa
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09-16-2014, 09:58 PMLexxukFrom what I gather, there has been that demand on the JP forum and as we know that SE listen to their Japanese playerbase.............Quote:
Originally Posted by Iriadysa
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09-16-2014, 10:00 PMIriadysaI'm not completely surprised if this is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexxuk
If you ask me, the gaming world would win. The guy's passionate about his work and could do a lot for other games. Being stuck in XIV is just tossing talent away.
FREE YOSHIDA! -
09-16-2014, 10:04 PMAesuThat cat is secretly managing a nefarious RMT empire to fund the secret alien cat army invasion....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexxuk
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09-16-2014, 10:15 PMLexxukDisagree. Every developer wants to work for Valve, I don't think Valve would employ him, their principle is "the gamers are your bosses" so build their games to be fun for the gamer, Yoshi isn't really showing a gamer centric stance, especially when it comes to basic stuff like housing, he is absolutely mistaken which is why they kept quiet about the much desired feature of housing, they knew it would kick up a storm, if you know something you implement is going to annoy the vast majority of your gamers (and isn't about balance or a required feature) you don't put it in, you get a work around, so no, as a director Yoshi has failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iriadysa
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09-16-2014, 10:31 PMPterois
They were talking about increasing the servers in the last LL... and how it came down to a judgement call on Yoshi...
well Yohsi it is time to redeem yourself and drop that S ton of cash yall have been making and upgrade your (obviously gonna need it sometime soon) servers!!!! -
09-16-2014, 10:31 PMIriadysaI don't think you even begin to comprehend his position and the difficulties you'd face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexxuk
To put it in meme terms, one does not simply "please all players".
FFXIV has to balance long term design, physical resources, multiple player views that consistently collide between them (have you ever read this forum before?) all this while having a limited schedule of fast release cycles. Handling an RPGMMO isn't even close to handling an offline game or a lobby game and as much as I like Valve (for more reasons than their games. I like their involvement in pushing game development to higher grounds) things are never binary.
The current implementation of personal housing is bad, this is undeniable. If you ask me, it should've been an instanced room and be done with this bullshit. If you wanted a real house, get a FC.
You, however, don't understand the problems that may have led to them taking the current route and as such you cannot understand if he has "failed as a director". A director's job is not only to make right choices, you see; sometimes, it's about making sure you choose the lesser evil.
You see, the best thing a developer can do is listen to its players.
The worst thing a developer can do is do what their players ask for.
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EDIT: If you think I'm white knighting this game, you are wrong. I barely play it and I don't even really like its gameplay that much (I play because a friend really enjoys it, so I'm tagging along for the ride). That, however, doesn't make me incapable of appreciating the work Yoshida and his team has done and keeps doing. -
09-16-2014, 10:37 PMYoohre_WildRiver
so over 2.5 million players paying subs... and we still have the same server limitations as launch?????? like are they not investing on hardware with our sub money??? what are they doing with our money?.
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09-16-2014, 10:37 PMAirikayIts not sub's though they probably have less than a millionQuote:
Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver
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09-16-2014, 10:54 PMFelessanYou should know that this thread was necobumped and almost all of pages in belongs to the december-january.Quote:
Originally Posted by abzoluut
And actually the story will be the same - price will fall and people will calm down. Everyone at rage, because they wanted their house now and for free (we saw this rage already), but in fact devs tries to remove excessive money, especially from those who keep them in huge amounts.
Back in "FC House rage" our guild bought house for 250 mils, and now - almost everyone bought their house, if they spent at least some efforts towards it.
The same will be with personal houses - I know some people who can buy a large house outright, and small house is costly, but still can be bought by everyone involved with "excessive money-making schemes" (4 million gil is really a joke if you are professional crafter/gatherer/spiritbonder/run seller/etc). And with time prices will fall and it'll make houses more accessible for wide crowd of people. -
09-16-2014, 11:27 PMabzoluutI understand your point of view. I hope you understand that people do really like its gameplay very much. It's because they love the game, they now feel ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iriadysa
I couldn't care less about housing. I do care about what people want to keep them in the game. Whatever floats their bubble. It's more fun when there are lots of people around doing all kinds of stuff.
I appreciate their work and I also praise them even when we get a minor QoL change which often should have been there in the first place, better late than never right? I can't appreciate the ongoing dev comments where the console or server limitations cause trouble for them to ajdust, implement, rework or change things. So yes, the best thing a developer can do is listen to their players. We don't know if they listen when there is no solid feedback other than said limitation. We already know that story, give us the real story. -
09-16-2014, 11:31 PMQaaliaa
If resources were truly the issue, why waste server space on personal housing at all? On Balmung MANY FCs have no house yet. Plots have been sold out for ages. One housing plot could have meant SCORES of people at least had a room within a FC house. Instead we have individuals with a house for ONE person.
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09-17-2014, 12:12 AMIriadysahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeoQuote:
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09-17-2014, 02:24 PMKaethraDo you happen to have a link to such a thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by abzoluut
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09-17-2014, 02:32 PMLazearushttp://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...3%83%89/page14Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaethra
Open up Google Chrome, load that thread in there, right click and translate page, then grab some popcorn. It gets especially crazy on page 23 where one of them intends to report him to the Consumer Affairs Agency in Japan. -
09-17-2014, 02:52 PMKaethraIt doesn't seem that bad to me. More like all the threats of reports to the Better Business Bureau that many MMO devs seem to eventually get. Over all I think the english forums are the worst offenders by far. Course the English Speaking Western World is Very strong in their use of words :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lazearus
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09-17-2014, 03:15 PMShougunO_o? I've yet to see some of the things I've seen over there here (lying seems to be the battle chant here)*. Also if something is often used (say a swear word and it loses its power, then it is no longer fair to compare it as a "harsh" aspect since it is no longer a harsh aspect). Also head to an anon Japanese board and enjoy the real fun XD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaethra
They're not happy either and they're showing it. Big difference is how much is in one thread vs many, but w.e I wouldn't say "worst offenders by far" is very fair in this scenario lol.
*My language ability is poor, I'm having my waifu sidekick help me read some of it for fun though lol -
09-17-2014, 03:25 PMNepheraI'm seeing a lot more moderated posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaethra