bards novus stats

as im gettin close to finishing my trial books for upgrade thought id get some info on what stats to put into for novus but cant find much info thats really useful this is all i found but not much help

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...are_you_doing/

can any1 offer me some suggestions on whats best please? i was leaning 2wards dex/crit but not really sure which path to take :( sory if its been asked b4 :(

As is the case with most DPS classes, unless you are really hurting for the Accuracy, your best bet is to put all of your melds into Critical Hit Rate and Determination. Specifically you want 44 Crit and 31 Det. This will mean that your Novus will be comparable to the High Allagan Bow due to the fact that the High Allagan Bow does not have Critical Hit Rate as one of it's stats, and because the Novus will have 1 less Det than the High Allagan Bow. The main difference between the two bows will be in base damage, Dexterity, and Vitality over all the other stats.

Also you actually can't meld Dexterity as one of the stats on the Novus Weapon as it has a baseline of 42 Dexterity no matter what you do. Same goes for Vitality, it will always have 49 Vitality regardless of melds. The only stats that you can actually (or would want to) modify on the Novus are Accuracy, Critical Hit Rate, Determination, or Skill Speed.

Anyone who suggests modifying Piety, really doesn't understand how the Bard actually works. We have no need of additional piety.

tyvm for the info and the reply :3 much appreciated

what does determination do in regards to battles please?? would it be a bad build to go accuracy + crit leaning higher to the accuracy side of things like for example 40 acc, 35 crit or isnt that a good idea?

im not really sure what my accuracy is since im still working on gettin my sol tome set havent touched CT/ST/ coil til im better equipped n studied guides,
once again tyvm for the info :3

edit - just googled determination and this is what i found -> Determination is an attribute that increases the amount of damage dealt by all attacks including auto-attacks, weaponskills and spells. It also increases the amount of HP recovered by spells. so guessin determination is a MUST have for novus correct?

Ok just to correct stuff, Novus will never be equal to High Allagan. HA will always be superior. Novus is still a very good weapon. It's better than Rosebogen by a little bit depending on the stats of your novus

Now for your novus, yes it's BEST to pump everything to crit and det but you'll have to pay up for it. You novus will probably end up costing you 6-8mil(if you're lucky).
I suggest doing something like 30 crit, 30 det 15 accuracy(that will only cost you around 2-3m). you'll also see how flexible you'll be with your gears if you have that 15 accuracy. BUT if you have the money and you're willing to spend it then 33/44 is the way to go.

here's a build for starters(assuming you have 0 experience in SCOB or you're broke like me and unlucky with coil:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NTP7

here's a pretty optimal build if you have money and experience with SCOB
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NTPD

your optimal BiS(not counting ilvl 90 crafted acc):
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NTPM

tyvm for the info n the links much appreciated :3

Claire, I never said that the Novus would be equal to the High Allagan weapon. I said it would be comparable to it. There is a difference between the words "Comparable" and "Equal" after all. That said, while the Novus may never be equal to the High Allagan weapon, the Relic Weapon Quest Chain will eventually give us item level 115 weapons. At which point the Relic Weapon most certainly will be equal to the High Allagan weapons as a whole. Further compounding the issue is that eventually the Relic Weapon will exceed the item level 115 rating, at which time it will be BETTER than the High Allagan weapons, largely invalidating the High Allagan weapons as a whole. Overall the Novus Weapons are the Best In Slot Weapons as far as longevity issues are concerned.

Spawnie, Determination is essentially the stat that modifies the amount of damage that all attacks do, including Auto-Attacks, Weaponskills, and spells. It also increases the HP recovered by spells. This stat is the third largest determining factor in how much overall damage you do with a standard non-critical attack. The other two largest factors is the Weapons actual Base Damage, and your Jobs Primary Stat (Dexterity in the case of Bards).

Accuracy for the Bard has a max cap of 491 for the most difficult of content prior to tonight's update. Which means that you want to get to as close to that cap without going to significantly over the cap when you are getting your stats together. This is why using Accuracy on your weapons may not be the best idea since weapons tend to have a veritable crap ton of accuracy on them which makes allocating the rest of your gear as a Bard very difficult as a large chunk of Bard gear ALSO has accuracy on it.

yeah the determination mention confused me abits since ever since i started bard ( in closed beta) most players always said dex was most important XD but tyvm both of you for the info i have somethin to work on n aim 2wards nows :3

goin by the links coil drops are the best BiS currently correct?? ill have to hurry up n finish my tome set first so then i can concentrate on farming for the better stuff now work isnt as busy means i got more time to perfect my gear setups :3

You can also spirit bond gear and hopefully get some tier 3 and 4 materias. If you can make i70 gear it will be easy for you if not you can buy a full set for 300 to 500,000 Gil. It takes longer than buying the tier 3&4s but is way cheaper. If you have friends or FC mates to help out, all the better. You can find parties looking to SB so it doesn't take long to get a set to 100% , but even solo it doesn't take very long.

oh, and lookey at that, tonight's update introduces the Nexus Weapons. These weapons are the Item Level 115 Relic Weapons, and as such are in fact EQUAL to the High Allagan Weapons. Who'd of thunk it. :P

TRUST MEEEEE

Use crit and det until it asks u to use grade 4 materia, then put the rest in speed or acc.

33 crit 19 acc(or sksp) 23 det I think are end stats.

It's so freakking nearly as good as full crit/det....but u save about 15-20m xD Honestly, unless ur seriously rich, don't break ur back for less than 1% dmg boost.

Yes you can sb 8D But I SBed for weeks and got no savage grade 4, rng is rng.

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oh, and lookey at that, tonight's update introduces the Nexus Weapons. These weapons are the Item Level 115 Relic Weapons, and as such are in fact EQUAL to the High Allagan Weapons. Who'd of thunk it. :P

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Nexus does not equal Novus .__. that's like saying Atma=Animus

FROM the looks for it Nexus=High allagan.....or Nexus might even be better assuming you play your cards right once we find out what card game it is.


then *insert TCoB allagan weapon here* is better than Nexus :P

Actually based on my understanding that the Third Binding Coil of Bahamut is actually more than likely just a Fan Nickname for what Yoshida described as the Brutal Binding Coil of Bahamut, then no, the Third Binding Coil of Bahamut will not have a weapon that will be better than the Nexus Weapons because Yoshida has already been on the record as saying that the Brutal Binding Coil of Bahamut will not have Gear Rewards. Rather the reward for completing the Brutal Binding Coil of Bahamut will simply be a Title commemorating your achievement. (please note that I said this is MY understanding. Which means I could be completely wrong about the immediately preceding statement).

That said, the patch notes specifically indicate that depending on your Melds in the Novus phase, that yes in fact, the Nexus Weapon will be superior to the High Allagan Weapon due to the way in which the Nexus Weapon was designed by the development team. Regardless, now that the Relic Weapons have caught up to the Coil Weapons, that means that even if future installments of the Binding Coil do feature new gear at higher than 115 item levels, then the Relic Quest should likewise also be able to match those item levels relatively easily now. So there really shouldn't be any games of catch up between the Binding Coil Gear and the Relic Gear any longer. If anything it is now the Binding Coil Gear that has to catch up with the Relic Gear.

Also, please note that in my initial response to you, I specifically pointed out that I had said that the Novus Weapon is COMPARABLE to the High Allagan Weapon, not Equal to it.

The Definition of Comparable: Able to be likened to another; similar.
The Definition of Equal: being the same in quantity, size, degree, or value.

By the definition of Equal, only two Item Level 115 items would be equal to one another. However an item level 110 and an item level 115 weapon can both be compared to one another with little to no problem. In fact real world Weapon Specialists and Historians do the same thing all the time, comparing one type of weapon to another type of weapon, say a sword to an axe for example. It isn't that difficult.

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Thing

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The Third Coil of Bahamut are the final turns, 10-13 I believe. And they will have higher ILV gear, estimates are 130-135.

What was mentioned, Yoshida was considering the posibility of delaying TCoB half patch and implement a Savage mode for the first 5 turns. However, it would be hard and they do not know if they would, since they don't have some (data?) about the first coil in order to do them.

...There's gonna be a third coil of bahamut...it's literally the last set of turns where we're gonna fight *insert spoilers here*...... >__> it's not just a fan nickname.

oh...and High allagan weapon weapon dmg can't even compare to Novus weapons. Coil weapons are meant to be better. Novus will always loose to High Allagan weapon. In other words, Novus is not similar to High Allagan. If anything Novus is similar to UAT weapons their difference is minimal. High Allagan surpasses both by a significant amount. It isn't that hard sweetie.

Actually, you are trying to say that it is impossible to compare the Novus and High Allagan Weapon in the same way it is impossible to compare a Bombard (a type of Mortar Style Cannon used in Medieval Europe) to the B41 Nuclear Bomb (which had a yield of 25 Megatons). Yet it is still possible to compare the two simply because without the existence of the Bombard, the B41 simply would never have been developed, as such a historical comparison between the two and their roles in history can be made.

Similarly the comparison I was making was intended more along the lines of secondary stats, rather than it being intended to be directed towards Primary Stats and Weapon damage.

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Actually, you are trying to say that it is impossible to compare the Novus and High Allagan Weapon in the same way it is impossible to compare a Bombard (a type of Mortar Style Cannon used in Medieval Europe) to the B41 Nuclear Bomb (which had a yield of 25 Megatons). Yet it is still possible to compare the two simply because without the existence of the Bombard, the B41 simply would never have been developed, as such a historical comparison between the two and their roles in history can be made.

Similarly the comparison I was making was intended more along the lines of secondary stats, rather than it being intended to be directed towards Primary Stats and Weapon damage.

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You cannot compare them. Weapon damage is absolute. Secondary stats are not. Higher WD means it's better.

i see now why det is so important done a run with a guy with novus last night n his attacks hit so hard ll felt like i was using normal level 10 bow compared to his damage :P

once again tyvm every1 for the replies and info much appreciated :3

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Originally Posted by Drakuaza

You cannot compare them. . . Higher WD means it's better.

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"Higher" and "better" are both comparative forms of the adjectives "high" and "good," respectively. Clearly, you've just compared the two weapons. >_>

Now, if you meant, "You can compare them, but it's no contest," then you should maybe have said that. >_>

FYI, don't do 3 stats if you want to get the most out of your nexus. Friends that did two stats got (aside from the dex and vit raise) +2 to their first secondary and +1 to their other secondary. I did 3 stats (20 acc/32 crit/23 det) and only got +1 to my crit; the other two stats remained the same. I was later told that there was a threshold that you had to meet to get the bonus for your secondaries so I went back and changed the stats to 15/30/30, but again, only my crit was raised by one, and this at the cost of having to add seven savage might materia IV's. It would be nice if SE would have initially mentioned that there was indeed a threshold to meet so that players weren't wasting materia only to get shafted in the end, especially when RNG is a factor in melding onto the scrolls.

There is a treshold and for det it is 31, so you will get the +1 if you go back and just put one more materia into your Novus. You can also meet the tresholds for a +3 increase if you do 3 stats, but it has to be 22 acc/22 crit/31 det for example.