SMN BiS with i110 Ramuh Ring?

On the gear calc I seem to come up 1 Accuracy short for T8 and T9 accuracy cap (491, come out to 490 without food of course, since its just for garuda)

Think it matters? O:

Here's the "BiS" I'm examining, it switches high allagan earrings (t9) to evenstar earrings.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSH5

Its missing the stat upgrade to the Ramuh Ring (2 INT 2 CRIT 2 DET?)

I'm glad you made this thread because I came here to do the same thing. Ok, so with the upgrade from i100 to i110 you can assume the stat increase will be +2 int, +1 crit, and +1 det based off of the weathered to unweathered stat increases on the Soldiery gear. What you have posted is what I consider the ALT BiS if downing T9 is not something you are able to do which is the category I fall under. If you can down T9 and get the earings it would seem that swapping out the Evenstar armlet for the High Allegan wrist from T7 is the new BiS.

Here are the overall Crit and Det differences for swapping each piece of gear...
Wrist= 520 to 538 Crit and 313 to 310 Det while maintaining Acc cap
Ear= 520 to 519 Crit and 313 to 327 Det while dropping to 1 below Acc cap

The differences are extremely minimal when you break it down, and it depends on whether you think Crit or Det are the best stat to stack. In this thread, http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/278dx2/accuracy_cap_for_everything_coil_19/ some one said they missed 1/1000 wind blades over the course of a few days. So that one below ACC cap isn't winning or losing a fight in my opinion, but I'd still rather stay above cap if i can.

I'm not sure I'll consider that ring for my BiS.
I would exchange that ring for the High Allagan Breeches of Casting, with some adjustment it would be nice imho: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSHS
Accuracy 499
Crit. 555

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Originally Posted by Kalandros

On the gear calc I seem to come up 1 Accuracy short for T8 and T9 accuracy cap (491, come out to 490 without food of course, since its just for garuda)

Think it matters? O:

Here's the "BiS" I'm examining, it switches high allagan earrings (t9) to evenstar earrings.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSH5

Its missing the stat upgrade to the Ramuh Ring (2 INT 2 CRIT 2 DET?)

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This build is what I've been using atm with the Ramuh EX ring currently. Having downed T9 several times, you only have a chance of missing in one particular instance during the last phase with 490 accuracy and that's when Nael turns to the party to cast Supernovas + Thermionic Beam.

Outside of that, overall I "may" miss all of 1-2 times if at all in the entire fight but you gain some good DPS for having a good pool of Crit and DET to work with. I've tried many builds (have pretty much all the coil and soldiery gear) and honestly this one has shown the best results time and time again despite being 1 ACC off cap.

I also have stated before that the High Allagan Earrings are hard to make a build for that you can't outdo with a better stat spread using a Evenstar Build.

Evenstar Earrings > High Allagan Earrings

This seems to be the case when forming builds with our current gear set and the silly abundance of accuracy, and Crit/SS combos.

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Originally Posted by lordparanoia

I'm not sure I'll consider that ring for my BiS.
I would exchange that ring for the High Allagan Breeches of Casting, with some adjustment it would be nice imho: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSHS
Accuracy 499
Crit. 555

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The problem with your build is gonna boil down to a huge DPS lose from a dramatic dive in Determination, which is your strongest contributor to DoT damage. The build the OP posted would out DPS yours on pretty much every fight. Your stat spread is also questionable. Spell Speed is largely a mundane contributor to SMN DPS.

this is the BiS list that I came up with for Summoner:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NRWV

I am not sure if it is the most optimal listing, however it does achieve the accuracy figure that Summoner requires for Turn 8 & Turn 9. Granted it requires you to have at least one Turn 8 item in order to achieve the figure, but that is easily solved by using the Summoner's Ringbands in it's place.

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Originally Posted by Tharian

this is the BiS list that I came up with for Summoner:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NRWV

I am not sure if it is the most optimal listing, however it does achieve the accuracy figure that Summoner requires for Turn 8 & Turn 9. Granted it requires you to have at least one Turn 8 item in order to achieve the figure, but that is easily solved by using the Summoner's Ringbands in it's place.

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Way overkill on the Accuracy.

This is theoretical BiS. Ramuh's ring was already BiS at i100, the i110 boost just cements its spot.

i110 boost?

I've been using a SS build for t9 and like it so far. I use lordparanoias build with HA coat. (Soldiery limits)

That 4th phase it's nice for ruin spam with all the movement. Also more ACC helps for book smacks since I'm standing near Nael for a good portion of the time. (I assume SMN melee attacks have the same Acc requirements as DPS)

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Originally Posted by Tharian

i110 boost?

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Monday patch will upgrade Ramuh rings from i100 --> i110.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2421564

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Originally Posted by Camate

Just to make this a bit more official, we will indeed be increasing the item level for the Ramuh rings to item level 110 in patch 2.38, as the OP has mentioned, based on all of the feedback we have been receiving.


Please also note that if you already have these rings, their item levels will be automatically increased and you do not have to obtain a new ring. :)

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You could just take the old BiS, replace the HA ring with Judgement and replace the evenstar bracelet with HA. Makes up for the accuracy and doesn't lose crit
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSKF

And since we'll likely be using Evenstar earrings for a while that gives extra accuracy until the HA earrings drop to play with other gear pieces. Such as swapping from HA gloves to Evenstar or something, but thats up to how much sold you feel like spending

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Originally Posted by Madoka

You could just take the old BiS, replace the HA ring with Judgement and replace the evenstar bracelet with HA. Makes up for the accuracy and doesn't lose crit
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSKF

And since we'll likely be using Evenstar earrings for a while that gives extra accuracy until the HA earrings drop to play with other gear pieces. Such as swapping from HA gloves to Evenstar or something, but thats up to how much sold you feel like spending

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I honestly prefer http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSLT for BiS. A tiny less amount of CRT and Spell Speed but much more DET.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

I honestly prefer http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSLT for BiS. A tiny less amount of CRT and Spell Speed but much more DET.

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That's what I'm aiming for.

Personally, I'm aiming for this:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NRG8

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Originally Posted by Kalandros

Its missing the stat upgrade to the Ramuh Ring (2 INT 2 CRIT 2 DET?)

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Based on other 110 jewelry, it will gain 2 Int 2 Crit 0 Det, making it 18 Int 19 Crit 9 Det.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

I honestly prefer http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSLT for BiS. A tiny less amount of CRT and Spell Speed but much more DET.

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I hadn't considered the ribbon of casting as an accuracy replacement. That lets you swap to the better itemized bracelet doing that too. Just not sure if losing 2 int and 13 crit is worth gaining 25 det since I haven't checked into stat weights at all recently

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Originally Posted by Madoka

I hadn't considered the ribbon of casting as an accuracy replacement. That lets you swap to the better itemized bracelet doing that too. Just not sure if losing 2 int and 13 crit is worth gaining 25 det since I haven't checked into stat weights at all recently

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2 INT = 7.06 DET
13 Crit = 9.69 DET

Total: 16.75 -> So an increase of ~8 DET

I believe a lot of people that say a crit value close to 540 is ideal, as it seems to hold some value.
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With my current i104 Gear, I have 365 DET with food and I do really good damage, which I'm sure is because of the DET as my DOTs tick for a lot of damage.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSST

Not BiS at all, just a RNGesus based set.

This is my opinion on BiS come monday
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSSX

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Originally Posted by Sen_Terrechant

This is my opinion on BiS come monday
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSSX

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2 Int and 13 Spell Speed are not worth the DET loss.

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Originally Posted by ShinryuReishiki

Personally, I'm aiming for this:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NRG8

Based on other 110 jewelry, it will gain 2 Int 2 Crit 0 Det, making it 18 Int 19 Crit 9 Det.

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You lose 6 CRT and 8 DET for 19 Spell Speed. Not worth it.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

2 INT = 7.06 DET
13 Crit = 9.69 DET

Total: 16.75 -> So an increase of ~8 DET

I believe a lot of people that say a crit value close to 540 is ideal, as it seems to hold some value.

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You're using Ariyala's value of .211 for CRT which isn't accurate. It's closer to 0,25 so 13 CRT is about 11.607 DET.

13 CRT @ 0,25 = 3.25 INT
25 DET @ 0,28 = 7 INT

So add 2 INT with the CRT you are at 5.25 vs 7 which is a gain 1.75, or ~6.25 DET.

So to answer:

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Originally Posted by Madoka

I hadn't considered the ribbon of casting as an accuracy replacement. That lets you swap to the better itemized bracelet doing that too. Just not sure if losing 2 int and 13 crit is worth gaining 25 det since I haven't checked into stat weights at all recently

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Yes, even though the difference is small, the build I link is slightly superior.

Yeah, yours looks pretty spot on Dwill. Too bad I probably won't have that for a while since HA casting never seems to drop.

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Originally Posted by Madoka

Yeah, yours looks pretty spot on Dwill. Too bad I probably won't have that for a while since HA casting never seems to drop.

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Hey, at least that's still closer than I am since I can only theorycraft due to my hectic work schedule which leaves me to difficult to commit to a static.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Hey, at least that's still closer than I am since I can only theorycraft due to my hectic work schedule which leaves me to difficult to commit to a static.

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I can confirm some stuff through in game testing. I just don't have the HA earrings yet.

Would a penta melded diamond choker make any sense?

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSXL

Stat weights say it's a little better than the HA choker, and the extra Vit is needed for Savage if you are going to try that out.

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Originally Posted by Devdan

Would a penta melded diamond choker make any sense?

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSXL

Stat weights say it's a little better than the HA choker, and the extra Vit is needed for Savage if you are going to try that out.

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Technically, it's better by the equivalent of 1 whole INT point worth of stats so if the real question should be if you want the extra vit for Savage coil because else, you'll never notice that whole 1 INT of stats.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

You lose 6 CRT and 8 DET for 19 Spell Speed. Not worth it.

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One thing you forgot to take into consideration here is you gain 2 int from i100 to i110 on the neck. So you lost 6 crit and 8 det but gain 19 speed and 2 int. It's actually much closer than you make it out. Even if you use .25 for crit and .283 for det and the ariyala value .094 for speed you actually come out on top with his build (but only very slightly).

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Originally Posted by ecastle2

One thing you forgot to take into consideration here is you gain 2 int from i100 to i110 on the neck. So you lost 6 crit and 8 det but gain 19 speed and 2 int. It's actually much closer than you make it out. Even if you use .25 for crit and .283 for det and the ariyala value .094 for speed you actually come out on top with his build (but only very slightly).

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Spell Speed is not worth .094. It was considered at .081 when people thought that it affected the pet, which has already been confirmed to not be the case. Spell Speed is closer to being .065 and that's being generous.

6 CRT and 8 DET = 3,74 INT
19 SS and 2 INT = 3,23 INT

Difference is minimal but the build with higher CRT and higher DET will always yield more consistent results.