Tank Consumables

Hello all,

I got alchemy lvled and wanted to make some pots for my PLD.

However, the best heal potion available atm heals for 680 (X-potion HQ).
This is barley 10% of my HP. The elixir is not much better either.

Also, stat pots are good for other classes. However, they are imo not very useful as a tank.
Vit pots only increase the max HP, it does not heal.

I am already using food for my tank, but I cant find a decent pot to use.
Any ideas?

Thank you

I made x-vits for myself and ended up never needing to use them. For the past few months, the only pots I've been using have been hq potent poisoning potions.

HQ VIT potion will five you about 4000 health use it in the beginning get a stone.skin on you.

VIT Xpot is useful to ensure you have more than enough HP to survive a hit. If for whatever reason I have to take a 7k without mitigation and I only have 7.5k max HP, popping a VIT xpot in advance can be beneficial. You get a temporarily better Lustrate out of it as well.

It's not essential but it's like having Thrill of Battle in a bottle.

Otherwise your only other med option is HQ STR Xpot.

Thrill of Battle heals you, VIT potions do not. I would go with STR potions.

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Originally Posted by Alphras

Thrill of Battle heals you, VIT potions do not. I would go with STR potions.

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Missing the point. Having more max HP increases survival threshold. That you need to fill it from another source isn't a BAD thing.

You pop it early. Not 2s before the hit in question. Then you take the damage and the "top" of your HP vanishes. It's magic.

The should add stronger HP potions, X-potion barley does anything even for non-tank classes.

They could double the duration on vit pots and they still wouldn't be that great.

Or make Vit pots heal, that would make them usefull.

Potions suck. But i may have found a semi-decent one.

When I'm MT as Warrior and use Unchained+Berserk for increased aggro/damage, i get the Pacification effect after berserk wear off and i cant do any GCD skill.

When that happens, I use a Potent Poisoning Potion HQ.
It works even on 2nd coil bosses. It's a small DoT that lasts only 15 seconds, but it's better than doing nothing for 5 seconds.

VIT potions are horrible, if one needs VIT potion to survive a hit then either the tank's not using his mitigation CDs properly or healers aren't paying attention. STR and Potent Poison potions are better investments, it's better to finish the fight early than dragging it out.

The only decent thing about Vit Potions was back when CT was still a thing, and you could pop a Mega Potion of Vit, followed by Thrill of Battle and then eat the Behemoth King's Meteors :P

Beyond that, they aren't really very useful. As the other guys have said, for Tanks, the only decent potions to use are Strength and Potent Poisoning Potions, but even these don't make a massive difference.

I am also thinking of using Potent Poisoning Potion, either than or STR pots.

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Originally Posted by Miyaka_Vigiles

I am also thinking of using Potent Poisoning Potion, either than or STR pots.

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I believe you can use both, as they're on separate cooldowns. But I might be wrong, as I've not tried the Poisoning Potions yet.

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Originally Posted by Dano

VIT potions are horrible, if one needs VIT potion to survive a hit then either the tank's not using his mitigation CDs properly or healers aren't paying attention. STR and Potent Poison potions are better investments, it's better to finish the fight early than dragging it out.

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It's not about needing it. It's a cooldown in a bottle. It's as useful or useless as you want it to be.

I would argue that the amount of time you personally shave off of a kill from using a STR pot as a Shield Oath or Defiance tank is almost insignificant, even 2-3 times in a fight.

Manipulation, you can use Vit pots to get mediocre healers to pre-cast a heal on you before a big hit comes in. It's not needed, but then again, the healer is mediocre.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

It's not about needing it. It's a cooldown in a bottle. It's as useful or useless as you want it to be.

I would argue that the amount of time you personally shave off of a kill from using a STR pot as a Shield Oath or Defiance tank is almost insignificant, even 2-3 times in a fight.

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100% agree.

It really is insignificant. I used to burn 2 STR pots per T9 attempt while learning. Very useless DPS increases in tank stance.

VIT pots are like an extra CD. While useless currently when Coil3 comes out the extra HP will be a nice survival boost.

Shame they made the potions in the game to be meh.. (let's not forget the super "Phoenix Down"!)

Vit, healing potions are useful when low on Cooldowns and healers are busy to.. hmm.. they should be able to combine with your skills so that you will survive.

Anyway.

I use Spine Drops and Antidote, for when the healers are lazy and don't know that Esuna or Leeches exist.

(Anyone can confirm if someone can use a Gold Needle on you if you are petrified to remove the condition?)

Potions are a little boost. I prefer to use my own MP and Stoneskin myself while waiting for a Cure to pop on me.

The only problem with stone skin is it can be interrupted and it's always interrupts your combo.

Don't use them as a heal use them as an absorb. Just because your not sure how to use something does not mean it sucks.

Any1 has a number on how much DPS potent poisoning potion adds to me as a PLD with shield oath?
Basically is it worth it?

I just use potent poisoning potions and STR pots (can use them together since they don't share cooldowns). However, this is for the progress phase for new content which usually doesn't take that long. By the time you have everything on farm, item level makes us so overgeared it's not worth the time to craft them (or money to buy them) imo.

I never understood the VIT ones though.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

I just use potent poisoning potions and STR pots (can use them together since they don't share cooldowns). However, this is for the progress phase for new content which usually doesn't take that long. By the time you have everything on farm, item level makes us so overgeared it's not worth the time to craft them (or money to buy them) imo.

I never understood the VIT ones though.

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VIT is like an extra mini CD. For progression while under geared Potions are vital. The 600hp from a VIT potion might be lol right now, but when people were doing T9 in i90ish gear they were a big deal. Just like now STR/Potent Pots are useless besides Savage coil. (people still use them for parsing and the such but they are no longer required, my Coil group stopped using food)

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

Anyone can confirm if someone can use a Gold Needle on you if you are petrified to remove the condition?

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You cannot use gold needles while petrified, but you can be targeted by a party member and healed of petrification by a gold needle. So it would be useful for whoever isn't going to be petrified to carry around, but not the one that will be petrified.

I can only confirm this on petrification on the world map, haukke HM, and CT though. I don't know if petrification in coil2 is a separate debuff like the paralysis from high voltage originally was.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

It's called Stone Curse instead of just "Petrified" or whatever so I imagine it isn't possible to use a gold needle on.

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Figures.

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Originally Posted by lyndwyrm

You cannot use gold needles while petrified, but you can be targeted by a party member and healed of petrification by a gold needle. So it would be useful for whoever isn't going to be petrified to carry around, but not the one that will be petrified.

I can only confirm this on petrification on the world map, haukke HM, and CT though. I don't know if petrification in coil2 is a separate debuff like the paralysis from high voltage originally was.

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It's called Stone Curse instead of just "Petrified" or whatever so I imagine it isn't possible to use a gold needle on.

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Originally Posted by lyndwyrm

You cannot use gold needles while petrified, but you can be targeted by a party member and healed of petrification by a gold needle. So it would be useful for whoever isn't going to be petrified to carry around, but not the one that will be petrified.

I can only confirm this on petrification on the world map, haukke HM, and CT though. I don't know if petrification in coil2 is a separate debuff like the paralysis from high voltage originally was.



Figures.

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Haha thx for the reply lyndwyrm. As I was writing: Anyone can confirm if someone can use a Gold Needle on you if you are petrified to remove the condition?

It was for sure to say the obvious that if you are petrified, you cannot use it on yourself ;)

My point was like you cannot use an X-Ether potion on someone else than you..

I'm happy to see that you can, thanks ^^

Hmm.. I run with antidotes, spine drops, vit pots and sometimes ethers..

antidotes and spine drops used mostly when soloing or dungeon runs..
vit pots usually for progression raids where the extra HP boost could be the difference between a raid wipe or not..
ethers are great when you've received a raise and need some MP to flash mobs or stoneskin others..

Bring something along with you! much better than not having any :p