[DEV] Monsters returning to their territory

I struggled to find a post on this using the search function but I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned before but will post anyway about my attempt to clear a tunnel solo earlier...

Since 1.18 I have been doing all my play solo due to the fact I can't find an exp group for the life of me... seems nobody is using the new seek party function.... So I decided to go look for some decent places to grind, I was looking around a cave near Nophica's Wells and came across a long narrow tunnel filled with bombs and skeletons, I decided to start pulling them to clear the tunnel but this was tough because they were clustered together anyway. After managing to get one of them away I backed up around the bend a little to not aggro the others, after about 20 seconds of me fighting wasting cooldowns and mana the mobs decides to run back to its territory, this happened repeatedly in the end I managed to just steamroll through the tunnel giving up on my tactical attempt.

So as said before please fix this as you did say you wanted to encourage skillfull play, this might not be directly related to skills or how you use them but pulling and using the terrain effectively is also a factor in battles but the current system doesn't allow for you to do that....

Please fix this or make the monsters territory larger, I would hate to eventually get a grind party that consists of the party having to run and move all over the place to get to the mob, the exp party camps in FFXI were great in this regard, while the zones are probably too large to remove it completely at least make the territory much bigger.

I 100% completely Agree With this. while i can usually work around this in solo play, i find it extremely frustrating that everyone is as said before just running up to evey mob, heck even mages will just run straight up to a mob with surrounding aggresive mobs like its ok that they have agg and are getting hit with every aoe WS and spell, its sloppy and difficult for healer's to keep up with and hard to make other's understand. it feels like less of an tactical accomplishment and just a crazy mad rush with no direction. plus the fact that your agg turns into my agg if i have to heal you(meaning anyone besides the tank) and if i die then you die. The biggest argument i hear is the territory thing, but this could easily be fixed with a long extension, heck id go for full map chases like the old day's so people really get the picture.

I'd like to see this as well, if you aggro you should either kill it or die. Bring back some of the danger in the world. Right now it feels like you can almost free roam anywhere you want with little worry.

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Originally Posted by Chain

I'd like to see this as well, if you aggro you should either kill it or die. Bring back some of the danger in the world. Right now it feels like you can almost free roam anywhere you want with little worry.

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I agree but they should implement abilities/spells with a proper cooldownto reset the aggro so the mob stopd chasing you. That way you can use it on emergency if you aggroed something and don't want to kill.

I don't agree. The instant this (free-ranging) is added, you'll see high rank mobs parked outside towns and zone points...intentionally for mpking. That was the whole reason why there is a "territory" range in the first place.

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Originally Posted by tymora

I don't agree. The instant this (free-ranging) is added, you'll see high rank mobs parked outside towns and zone points...intentionally for mpking. That was the whole reason why there is a "territory" range in the first place.

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This is why I suggested to simply make the range bigger, rather than none existent.

If there has to be a range, mobs shouldn't leash until 10-20 seconds of not being touched. It's ridiculous that something will just turn around and leash while being whacked on.

Personally though, I preferred the system XI eventually settled on. Never-ending aggro that simply despawned and respawned in the proper place after the person(s) with enmity died/zoned. No MPK, no trains through dungeons, and a world where you actually have to pay attention while traveling. Not to mention that it opened the door for neat little flavor mechanics, like losing aggro if you're out of sight of the enemy and run over water causing it to lose your 'scent'.

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Originally Posted by Celeras

If there has to be a range, mobs shouldn't leash until 10-20 seconds of not being touched. It's ridiculous that something will just turn around and leash while being whacked on.

Personally though, I preferred the system XI eventually settled on. Never-ending aggro that simply despawned and respawned in the proper place after the person(s) with enmity died/zoned. No MPK, no trains through dungeons, and a world where you actually have to pay attention while traveling. Not to mention that it opened the door for neat little flavor mechanics, like losing aggro if you're out of sight of the enemy and run over water causing it to lose your 'scent'.

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Agreed.

It was fun just traversing the world of FFXI, frustrating at times... but still fun.

The current leashing behaviour is also extremely exploitable by ranged attackers. Before 1.18, people used it to solo Uraeus by repeatedly dotting it up, then making it return to its territory.

The zones in FFXIV are generally larger than in FFXI (a problem, I feel, as there is less diversity in the world) but some kind of endless tracking until the enemy loses sight/scent or a zone line is crossed would still work, I think.

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Originally Posted by Frein

The current leashing behaviour is also extremely exploitable by ranged attackers. Before 1.18, people used it to solo Uraeus by repeatedly dotting it up, then making it return to its territory.

The zones in FFXIV are generally larger than in FFXI (a problem, I feel, as there is less diversity in the world) but some kind of endless tracking until the enemy loses sight/scent or a zone line is crossed would still work, I think.

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Yeah totally agree here too, I once went with some friends to get my Kokoroon Darkshell Mail from the NM, got there and saw an archer doing this. Problem was the fight took so long because of this we were left waiting around for a very long time while this person abused the territory range :\

I like the way the game is going with the addition of beast camps to SP off of instead of leve after leve after leve. The problem is, how do you expect us to level off of these camps of a hundred mobs or so when we can't pull mobs out of the camp. Currently you have to fight the mob where it stands, which is in the middle of a hundred of his friends ready to rip your face off. We need to be able to pull/fish mobs from there spawn points. I have all but given up leveling my battle classes since the 1.18 patch because leves have been gimped and pulling is impossible. The only way I have found to get decent SP is running all over the map in a very untactical way and killing mobs randomly. It is very hard to get our positioning down if we all have to move every fight instead of camping and pulling like we did in FFXI. Not to mention the mob doesn't just return, it goes half way back turns around does a shuffle moves like its going to attack then continues returning to its spawn point, turns around... so on and so on. SE is so wrapped up in preventing exploits and RMT action that the game is not fun anymore. Its really sad ; ;

#11 I totally agree, I was just doing a leve today and I pulled 2 mobs that were in a party together. I had to pull it with my spear because if I would have ran up to them , I would have aggroed some other mobs that were close by, I pull them , they aggro run towards me i take a few steps back , and all of a sudden they start running back, like they are retard strong!... please fix this its annoying as fluck

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Originally Posted by Mykro360

I like the way the game is going with the addition of beast camps to SP off of instead of leve after leve after leve. The problem is, how do you expect us to level off of these camps of a hundred mobs or so when we can't pull mobs out of the camp. Currently you have to fight the mob where it stands, which is in the middle of a hundred of his friends ready to rip your face off. We need to be able to pull/fish mobs from there spawn points. I have all but given up leveling my battle classes since the 1.18 patch because leves have been gimped and pulling is impossible. The only way I have found to get decent SP is running all over the map in a very untactical way and killing mobs randomly. It is very hard to get our positioning down if we all have to move every fight instead of camping and pulling like we did in FFXI. Not to mention the mob doesn't just return, it goes half way back turns around does a shuffle moves like its going to attack then continues returning to its spawn point, turns around... so on and so on. SE is so wrapped up in preventing exploits and RMT action that the game is not fun anymore. Its really sad ; ;

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I'm going to agree with this, as well. Id really like to set camp rather than run around looking for mobs. There are several factors preventing this at the moment, though:
1) The leashing, obviously.
2) Omnipresent mob ranged attacks make pulling theoretically hazardous to non-tanks. (this is being changed)
3) Even mobs 10 ranks above you lack the HP to sustain attacks from a full party for more than a few seconds, which means you'd spend much more time pulling than fighting even if it was otherwise feasible. Even higher level mobs don't yield any more SP and the dLevel starts to heavily penalize you in all damage calculations due to how much weight it carries in all damage formulas.
4) As a consequence of #3, respawn rates cannot keep up with the slaughter.

I can see how a larger territory might be useful, but personally I wouldn't want it much bigger; at least not without some other way to lose aggro'ed monsters on my trail. For instance, if I'm doing a difficult leve and I accidentally aggro a surrounding monster without meaning (darn Billy Goats for instance :[) I would like the chance to run away before they kill me! If I could hide behind a rock until they lost interest, okay, but even now I need to run a long way away - not to mention I already have to be careful not to run in the wrong direction because I can accidently run outside the leve area and lose it (have done this - it is frustrating...).

However, when I Gather, I'd like to be able to pull aggressive mobs away from my leve spots please - without them sauntering back and whacking at me while I'm logging. So in that case, slightly larger territories would be nice...

(Sneak)(Can I have it?)

They should introduce sneak/invisible spells of some sort like they had in XI. They have so much more to fix...one being re-pops and make more spots for SP parties...as well a lot more...

Think I read somewhere that they were not going to have sneak/invis potions, not sure about spells.

This was actually from my post about the topic entitled "Changes to the Deaggro Range of Mobs"

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Spoke with Matsui in response to the topic of reworking monsters aggro range, distance and behavior. He said that we'll be revamping this system along with the upcoming battle-related adjustments and claim system updates.

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Originally Posted by ClashBlades

This was actually from my post about the top entitled "Changes to the Deaggro Range of Mobs"

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Ah great, thanks very much for linking this. Apologies for creating another thread on the matter but it's nice to hear this will be fixed!

I agree with this, This is rather annoying, always face this issue, almost seems like an annoying bug too because they're retreat a lil while into the fight, not straight away.
I hope this does get fixed as per msg above.