Bringing this up as I've been seeing it appear quite frequently in Party Finder recently (usually for T7) and it has quickly found its way to the top of my peeve list. Is knowing the fight (mechanics, phases, etc) and/or being experienced up to a certain % no longer good enough? Just replace someone (eg. three strikes, you're out) if they are the root of the problem, don't instantly exclude people out of content (especially if they know what they're doing) because they don't have a previous win.
-Yes, I'm aware I can make my own party in PF. Though this has to be on a day where I don't mind doing nothing for around 2 hours (this is how long it took for my Progression Party to fill up on Sunday).
"Will reform if 100 Myth bonus..."
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09-04-2014, 01:44 PMNestama"Will reform if 100 Myth bonus..."
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09-04-2014, 01:49 PMLyrinn
It's the same people who would check your achievements to see if you really have cleared, only the myth bonus message has now made it more convenient. There is nothing different from months ago. They are free to set whatever requirements they want (whether you agree or not).
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09-04-2014, 01:52 PMEdeline
Probably parties tired of having people sneak in to get a win while saying they're experienced and wasting people's time by wiping. Not wanting to risk anymore if someone knows the fight perfectly but didn't get a run win because wiping at last %. Could try to ask in /tells.
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09-04-2014, 01:58 PMPArcher
Just going to say it; their party, their rules.
Anyway, this is the same as the "Will queue for Ifrit EX" Titan EX parties; they want to make sure everyone has cleared and at the very least seen everything in the fight. Generally, if someone is weaker still (obvious carry) they will get removed anyway. Most of the people making these groups just want a clear as painless as possible; they're not "out to get" the people who just barely don't clear, they just want a win, and want similar experience from their group.
Now, you can message the party leader and ask if they will bend the rule for you; many actually will allow it especially if you say to remove you if you're too weak. -
09-04-2014, 02:05 PMNestama
I think my main gripe was towards the PF's that heavily imply that 100 Myth bonus = baddies or something. It's been a rough week for me and I felt the need to vent.
Thank you for the responses. I have sent some /tells and was quite happy to see that they would be willing to make an exception. -
09-04-2014, 02:08 PMExstal
I like getting into those parties after telling them I've cleared the content on my main, then have to instruct the people on how to play afterwards anyway.
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09-04-2014, 02:13 PMEdgeFayth
This is just a matter of feeling and trust...
When I do a PF, I always give a chance to guys who never cleared the content, but I really check what they are doing during the fight, and do not hesitate to kick them if they are doing bullshit. In return, I am expecting people to do the same with me. Ex: yesterday, I did my first T8 win. It was a "clear party" PUG. When the fight started, a guy complained about that. I just said if I fail, kick me. We OS the turn. -
09-04-2014, 02:17 PMGardesQuote:
Originally Posted by Nestama
Not trying to argue for any side but...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestama
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09-04-2014, 03:06 PMDashuto
"Hey guys, lets all just be jerks to each other"
"Its okay cause if we make our own party, we can be as rude as we want and it doesn't count as being a jerk! Its like a special loop hole, understand?" -
09-04-2014, 03:26 PMAlistaireSo it's the same as before except now you have those parties and now you actually get parties LOOKING for people who haven't cleared, to get them extra myth. Definitely a step up from the old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyrinn
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09-04-2014, 03:30 PMGarlyleYup. This was actually how I got into the party that got me both the Titan EX and Ifrit EX clears - "do you mind if I join I'm familiar enough to have done a full final phase cycle but just haven't gotten a clear yet" -> in (then straight onto Ifrit EX, which shocked me, but I'm a quick enough learner that we managed it in 3 attempts!)Quote:
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Most parties do it as a way to try to keep out those hoping to just get easy carried through, but showing you'll actually put in effort is enough. -
09-04-2014, 03:33 PMLyrinnHow is it being a jerk? I've been on both sides of the coin, sometimes simply wanting to clear something without wiping for an hour and other times being excluded because I didn't have a clear at the time. I can understand how people on both sides feel about the other, but the sad part is neither side tries to understand the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashuto
T7 in particular is a highly mistake-prone fight, where one person not fully knowing what they're doing or making a single mistake can potentially wipe the raid (yay for one-shot mechanics everywhere). You can take in a player claiming to have full experience but you won't know if they're truly capable of clearing until you try - or fail and wipe. If someone already has a clear, then you can at least expect them to be capable of doing the fight. There's not as much "risk" involved.
The fact of the matter is, some people just don't care to spend potentially over an hour clearing something they've done a million times over. Taking people who have previous clears is much safer than trying someone out, watching them fail, and then spending more time replacing them. I've been down to 3% on T9 but haven't been able to find a group for weeks because one of the two pug groups on my server asks for clears only. It sucks but deal with it.
In any case, most people are actually willing to make exceptions if you simply ask and you're honest and polite about it.