Bard songs

Does anyone else think that the bard should have a healing buff song and melee buff song?

he already has these songs.
mana and tp regen are healing/melee buffs.

Does anyone think the "song" system is bad? I mean, i'd rather support my team with active skills or rotations, not with a "passive" buff nerfing my dps...

The amount of supporting the brd offer to his team should have been dependent of the stuff and the skill of the player...

I think we should have had more than 4 songs... and losing dps to keep songs active sucks. Feels like a joke compared to ffxi brd

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Originally Posted by Strify

I think we should have had more than 4 songs... and losing dps to keep songs active sucks. Feels like a joke compared to ffxi brd

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you can attack while moving.
casters can't.

you can attack wherever the boss/mob moves.
melee can't.

so just stop asking for a "powerup" for a class that can basically attack non-stop, and don't and will never need it.

as for the songs, with the expansion Bards probably will learn 1 or 2 new songs, so you only have to wait xD

Pretty sure something will come around with the Lvl cap raise.

I'm in for Healing, but it should be very low, not to interfere with the real Healers. (so we would have regen TP, MP, and HP)

How about a Morale song, to lift our spirits in combat? Might give everyone +3 to stats as long as MP is up.
(adjust the +3 as needed, just here for reference and we need to think the balance of the game.)

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

Pretty sure something will come around with the Lvl cap raise.

I'm in for Healing, but it should be very low, not to interfere with the real Healers. (so we would have regen TP, MP, and HP)

How about a Morale song, to lift our spirits in combat? Might give everyone +3 to stats as long as MP is up.
(adjust the +3 as needed, just here for reference and we need to think the balance of the game.)

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I think that the "morale" song wuold just interfere in some way with pvp..
and aside from that, you already have echo in most of endgame duty, so it would be kinda useless...

Ballad and Paeon reduce dps output, but Foe's doesn't. I always have foes active if there's a BLM/SMN in the party and the healers have told me they'll be fine for MP. I really think Bard is less about "wow this dps loss is terrible" and more about knowing when during a fight it's ok to take that dps loss to offer party support in preparation for something else coming up in the fight. Probs not possible in every fight the game offers, but I haven't had problems doing that it way yet and I've been maining a Bard since I started :/

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Originally Posted by Defteros

I think that the "morale" song wuold just interfere in some way with pvp..
and aside from that, you already have echo in most of endgame duty, so it would be kinda useless...

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Are you just sitting here refreshing the page to reply to nearly everyone? lol

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Are you just sitting here refreshing the page to reply to nearly everyone? lol

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someone can say it is something like "having a discussion with someone", but if you put it that way, that makes me feel a stalker.
or, just someone really bored at work.

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Originally Posted by Defteros

someone can say it is something like "having a discussion with someone", but if you put it that way, that makes me feel a stalker.
or, just someone really bored at work.

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Oh, well carry on lol

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Originally Posted by Defteros

someone can say it is something like "having a discussion with someone", but if you put it that way, that makes me feel a stalker.
or, just someone really bored at work.

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What's wrong with being really bored at work? That's why I'm here.

Bards are OP, end of story. Brd with foe up, 2 casters in party and drg in party buffing bards damage.....and you guys want a buff? T_T

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Originally Posted by Defteros

I think that the "morale" song would just interfere in some way with pvp..
and aside from that, you already have echo in most of endgame duty, so it would be kinda useless...

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Endgame for me isn't "the entire game"

And if it was inserted, there would be no need for echo.

oh wait.. yeah even with echo parties fail. ·―·

And morale was only a generic term so you can understand what I mean. With SE it could be CloudTifaComboFanfareMoogle

*Their 'balance' team have plenty to work on, if it was implemented, PvP would be ok (if not bugged lol)

[Insert MEME: Why not have both?]

I don't mind the song's the way they are but if I had one suggestion I would modify where the Swiftsong skill can work while you're in battle and while the song is playing you lose TP per sec, how much is debatable but I think it would be beneficial in battles that require a lot of dodging or breaking vines.


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i like that idea but stick with the mp drain. give us that and stick the mp and tp regain as one song just increase the drain by a bit.

I would like mp song to be more of a pulse, like casting medica, and just have a long cast time. Healing would be good if it was like the sch bubble with small ticks and you can't move while it's active. Would be good to use for primal roars.

Starting to think the reason our songs aren't that spectacular is because no one can agree on better ones...
Personally I'd like ones that increase skill/spell speed, but that's just a mental holdover from my EQ1 days. Also maybe a an ability that lets us apply the next archer buff we use to the entire party. Give it a substantial cooldown.

Bard songs are super lackluster in many ways...mana drains I can live with while singing, there has to be some kind of give and take on it I get it. But reducing damage? I have played a bard in many games, i've never had a damage penalty for singing/playing song whatever.
In fact in my EQ 1 and 2 days ( I know this isn't eq) I was a melee bard....up in the fight swords in hand slashing and hacking and setting up the monsters for lots of nasty stuff..

I will settle for bards not being bards in this game if we can just have the song effect be more noticeable than a tiny lil icon. I want party members that are affected by song to have like a musical note swirl going around them or something. At least I would feel more like a bard that way...since all I got was a lousy harp that I play for 2 seconds...

Also I don't mind the bard LB I wouldn't mind something else but its fine, but the healing regen song is NEEDED...if the healer goes down and we have plenty of dps and tank still standing and can take the boss down, there has been so many times ive been in this situation where a slow heal over time would be useful...cause guess what many times when we hit LB3 and are finally needing the bard to do it...its a 50/50 at that point when the fight could have been won anyway if the group was still getting a little heal going on (this also works when the healer afk/loss connection/rage quit etc)

Yeah!

A burn isn't much of a burn when the healers run out of MP due to massive heals when we let certain mobs live (T6) to burn the boss. Their loss of MP equals a loss of BRD's damage by using Ballad.