Please fix lockouts and the class system clashing. It is killing alts and content.

This is the only MMO where alts are blocked off so fiercely. All I can do is trickle gear to them I luck out and obtain through other jobs. There's currently only four raid bosses, which is a really low amount and once they're gone you're done in a given week. I really want to keep playing but the current setup kills the amount you can do in a given week and it also kills participation in the party finder. I'd love to loop back around and help friends and earn alt items.

Combined with dungeons being nearly useless, I have almost no battle content to participate in. Wrap that up with the ability to slowly sop up raid quality gear by just existing in the game world, it's a bit of a sad state of affairs. I'd love to participate in a bit more challenging content as now me and the people I play with have very little to do.

There's so much you could do, but honestly you could allow raid entry based on job and disable the greed button after the first job and fix so much alone

Wow I have like alt weapons and gear for several classes, I am not sure if we are playing the same game. Between running Trials, Relic Weapon, and maxing out Mythology I have no issue getting stuff for my alt jobs.

What is this alt you speak of? I play all 20 classes equally well. My only problem is where to put all the gear, don't want to delete gear I worked hard for even if I don't use it. Because someday I might want to for looks.

I don't think gear progressions was the main problem for the OP I think its more the fact there is only really 4 challenging boss atm which can be done in 1 night when you have a solid group after that there is nothing to do.

I feel the same although I am still clearing SCOB I know I am a little behind but it would be nice to be able to clear it as a WHM and also try out my tanking skills atm all I can do on my tank is ST which is a boring face roll or primals

I don't get why people have alts. I mean, I do. If you have that much time, more power to you. I just get a kick out of when someone is on their alt and there is a drop for their main, but they can't make use of it.

I have an alt for variety and also for flexability

I think we need to clarify here as well. Alt, to me means alternate (different) character, not another job...on the same character. If the meaning of Alt used here was as I described, then there is no problem. Log on to your Alt(log out of sam and into stuart), do the thing, get the stuff. The OP is unhappy that he cannot re-run the things on the same character, as a different job, and get the stuff. Granted that sounds nice but, c'mon, really?

How broke would that be? There are plenty of things to do, just because they are not what you want to, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Syn

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Originally Posted by Synestr

I think we need to clarify here as well. Alt, to me means alternate (different) character, not another job...on the same character. If the meaning of Alt used here was as I described, then there is no problem. Log on to your Alt(log out of sam and into stuart), do the thing, get the stuff. The OP is unhappy that he cannot re-run the things on the same character, as a different job, and get the stuff. Granted that sounds nice but, c'mon, really?

How broke would that be? There are plenty of things to do, just because they are not what you want to, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Syn

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I get what you are saying, but one of the appeal of the game as advertised was the armory system, where you can basically level all jobs on one character. Many of us did so without realizing that they shared a lockout once you hit endgame.

I have all DOW and DOM characters leveled to 50, and now I have to choose only one job as my main. Granted, it was an oversight on my part, but if I could turn back time, I would level each of those classes on a new character since the effort put in overall is approximately the same. True, I would have to pay $2 per month to have more than 1 character on a server but if each had their own lockout, I would gladly do so.

That is why I think lockouts should exist per job and not per character.

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That is why I think lockouts should exist per job and not per character.

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No, that'd be a bad idea for gear progression, cause that way you could clear raid content 9 times a week, which would basically multiply your chances at getting loot by 9. If all 8 people in your raid play 9 jobs, that raid could easily kit out their main toons in about 2-3 weeks + getting tons of gear for their alt jobs as well.

Don't know why this idea comes up like every other week, because the lockout system actually works like in every other MMO out there. If you want to clear content more than once a week, just go ahead and level a real "alt" (read as different character, not just a different job on the same character) - no one forces you to level all classes/jobs on the same char.

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No, that'd be a bad idea for gear progression, cause that way you could clear raid content 9 times a week, which would basically multiply your chances at getting loot by 9. If all 8 people in your raid play 9 jobs, that raid could easily kit out their main toons in about 2-3 weeks + getting tons of gear for their alt jobs as well.

Don't know why this idea comes up like every other week, because the lockout system actually works like in every other MMO out there. If you want to clear content more than once a week, just go ahead and level a real "alt" (read as different character, not just a different job on the same character) - no one forces you to level all classes/jobs on the same char.

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Err did you read what I was saying? I would have levelled a "real" alt if I had the knowledge I have now back then, but when you are new to the game and they throw the armory system at you and encourage you to use it, how are people supposed to know about the lockout? Should I go level all 8 classes again on 8 different characters to 50 on another character even though I have all lvl 50s on one character?

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Err did you read what I was saying? I would have levelled a "real" alt if I had the knowledge I have now back then, but when you are new to the game and they throw the armory system at you and encourage you to use it, how are people supposed to know about the lockout? Should I go level all 8 classes again on 8 different characters to 50 on another character even though I have all lvl 50s on one character?

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Err, did you even read the first part of my reply which explains why having separate lockouts per job is not actually a good idea at all? And why did you level 9 jobs prior to setting foot into a raid? Even the levelling process for your alt classes (the same old fate grind festival over and over again) could have told you, that all forms of achievements are tied to your character and not to your job, as finishing one quest on a specific class/job automatically meant that this quest won't be available to any of your other classes/jobs on the very same character.

It's not the system that is at fault, as it does allow for real alt characters that behave just the way you and/or the OP requested. Just because you didn't level real alts, for whatever reason (may it be misinformation or just the lack of information at all), doesn't mean the system is to be blamed.

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Err did you read what I was saying? I would have levelled a "real" alt if I had the knowledge I have now back then, but when you are new to the game and they throw the armory system at you and encourage you to use it, how are people supposed to know about the lockout? Should I go level all 8 classes again on 8 different characters to 50 on another character even though I have all lvl 50s on one character?

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Now you have the knowledge. Just have to create new characters to get loot from coil for your alts

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Err did you read what I was saying? I would have levelled a "real" alt if I had the knowledge I have now back then, but when you are new to the game and they throw the armory system at you and encourage you to use it, how are people supposed to know about the lockout? Should I go level all 8 classes again on 8 different characters to 50 on another character even though I have all lvl 50s on one character?

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At what point did you come by the knowledge of the lockout? Your 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th... 8th level 50? Did it really take you leveling to 50 eight times to no longer be "new to the game" and understand how the lockout works? Most people learn the lockout early enough to play an alternate character if it bothers them.

There's nothing to "fix". The lockout will be gone within a few updates anyway, just like for first coil.

Lockouts interact poorly with characters that have multiple classes. It's easy to understand that someone who has several real alts can gear them up all at the same time, while someone who has several classes on one character hits lockouts and weekly caps.

This could be fixed by making spending caps per class instead of using an earning cap and by making lockouts or weekly loot rules apply per class.

And yes, obviously the system should be blamed when it encourages players to make multiple classes on a character but then doesn't support it well. Most other games that have this feature don't have the types of hidden gotchas that FFXIV has. Fix the design instead of blaming players.

I see what you are saying here, but if something like letting all classes loot because they are a different class, and are running it "fresh" on that class is implemented, there would have to be some serious rules applied. The first exploit I can see is, gearing up one of your classes in a couple weeks if not sooner. The potential is there. Beat it on main class, get loots. Then run it again on the rest and only lot on the loots for that main class. I think it is fine the way it is. Just wait a bit like said earlier, they will be unlocked soon enough, not as soon as some would like but soon enough.

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Lockouts interact poorly with characters that have multiple classes. It's easy to understand that someone who has several real alts can gear them up all at the same time, while someone who has several classes on one character hits lockouts and weekly caps.

This could be fixed by making spending caps per class instead of using an earning cap and by making lockouts or weekly loot rules apply per class.

And yes, obviously the system should be blamed when it encourages players to make multiple classes on a character but then doesn't support it well. Most other games that have this feature don't have the types of hidden gotchas that FFXIV has. Fix the design instead of blaming players.

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The issue with "spending caps per job" is, that you can purchase any gear with any job, so spending your cap of 450 Soldiery per week with your main job, doesn't prevent your alt jobs from spending their weekly "spending cap" on more gear for your main job. The same goes for looting, your alts can easily greed on gear for your main and if running in a static raid, everyone would obviously kit out their mains first.

Weekly cap in Second Coil and loot in ST have their reasons to be there.

We all would like to be free and run content as we liked. But once accepted the limits, they have good sides: you have done your weekly Coil or got your loot from ST, you go and do other things. You have less pressure to repeat it endlessly it so that you get all your gear ASAP. The more time passes, the more things you have the possibility to do as new content is coming (beast tribes, crafting, PVP, hunting, etc.)

Of course we all would like to have new content quickly, not to have to do super long grinds, etc. but new content takes time to be made, and that's the reason for weekly locks and long grinds.

As other people have said, establishing the lock for a job and not for the character would be quite problematic to implement, people would fish gear with as many jobs as possible.

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And yes, obviously the system should be blamed when it encourages players to make multiple classes on a character but then doesn't support it well.

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One thing is having different classes and other having all the classes at top notch gear all the time.

While there is lock, you have to choose what class to gear before, or distribute among the classes you want to gear up before. Later, when the lock is gone, your secondary jobs can catch up a bit (but new content with lock will have appeared.)

In crafters for example it is disencouraged to have all of them top notch, the desynthesis progress in a class after some point starts to make lose progress in others, and along the way up, randomly makes you lose progrees in others.

The fact of the matter is you don't need full i110 on a class for it to be useful for T6-9. Any class i90+ will suffice.

Wish next tome wouldn't have a lockout xc Really feel like just levelling another char to 50 coz it breaks my heart to constantly have to chose which I like more.

I feel you on that one. Like I have a schedule...I mean wtf...

I give each class a week of dedication...well that was my intent. I tend to spend more time on one that I had originally wanted ^.^

I'll go PLD then BLM then DRG then BRD then WHM and now Im working on WAR,SMN and SCH...

At least I have gears for most from other classes so that is cool and will help. But I totally see where you are coming from Sessurea, I love em all ^.^

Having all classes at 50 I am trying to figure out what this thread is all about. No you will not be able to have every class i110 in a week. But you can make them all i90 in a week. I made monk i90 in a day. 63-90 one day! So I can now take monk to any dungeon. You don't need every class maxed to be able to enjoy it. Yes you have to pick one to go with but most statics will make you do the same. So what is the complaint again?

btw monk going to i90 in a day was really one evening.

Also if you are clearing SCoB or any turns there with the same party every week, you will get repeat drops which will allow the party to start to gear up other jobs, we got repeat in the 2nd week of doing SCoB >.<.

decided to make a 2nd char for the upcoming tome. Really dislike choosing between bard and drg when it comes to gearing....