[Suggest] FC Primal Summoning System

Lore: Discover an Allagan device that transfers the Primal's Aether to a storage device.
Edit: Well lore wise the Allagan have been dealing with and manipulating the primals; Summoner Egis, Ultima Weapon, and even Dalamud come to mind. It's not to far fetch for them to build a device to capture a primals aether and create a unstable clone of the primal to do their bidding.
Edit: There needs to be something that happens that allows primals to willfully manifest themselves into existence without the use of crystals. Then again it's know that primals existence during Allagan Empire and the third age. It's also know that it wasn't the beastmen that summoned them during that time because it was the Ascian that taught them how in 1.xx. It could be the natural state of primals was to roam free and only when the seal was created over Silvertear Falls that this process was corrupted.

Concept would first involve adding roaming primals to the open world. Base it on the FATE system that announces spawn on map and hp based on amount of player from previous fight. Be sure to have all the mechanics from Trials to make it fun and entertaining.

Next it the summoning system. Every time a FC member defeats the roaming primal they build up the Allagan's Device gauge. Once full they can release the primal against an enemy and then it fades back to the Aether.

Now for the primals themselves. To add damage that would equal a second Limit Break could be over powered. Players do want flashy summons that not only do damage but also do some kind of support ability. The compromise would be a summon that does damage and buff/debuffs.

Key Points:
-Roaming Primals
-FC Summoning Gauge
-Primals that add damage and buff/debuff.

FC summoning of Primals in PvP was a feature announced long ago for the game back before launch but nothing has really been mentioned about it lately so I can assume it's probably been quietly dropped (most likely due to the development team simply being unable to make it a workable concept that doesn't break the game's balance).

Of course I'm happy to be proven wrong though, but given the fact I haven't heard anything mentioned on the subject lately, I'm liable to consider that SE have scrapped the idea.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

FC summoning of Primals in PvP was a feature announced long ago for the game back before launch but nothing has really been mentioned about it lately so I can assume it's probably been quietly dropped (most likely due to the development team simply being unable to make it a workable concept that doesn't break the game's balance).

Of course I'm happy to be proven wrong though, but given the fact I haven't heard anything mentioned on the subject lately, I'm liable to consider that SE have scrapped the idea.

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I remember in an interview @ E3 they said they still want to add it but still trying to figure out how.

I have mixed feelings about this suggestion, even knowing that it's already a planned feature in some scope.

I don't... like the idea of being able to summon an actual primal. It's very lorebreaking that the primal would even listen to the FC's commands, nevermind obey them. The only primal I could even see doing that, if any of them, is Ramuh.

I mean, what could happen instead is that, by beating "roaming primals" like Ifrit and the others, that could give the FC leadership a one-time use Company Action to grant one of those effects for 24 hours or something, and have each effect be something cool and useful, but nothing stupidly overpowering, and would have to be re-earned to be used again.

Ifrit - Hellfire Aura - Inflict damage to all enemies in melee range with a potency of 30 (Same effect as Shadow Flare). Reduce recipe's required amount of Fire Shards, Crystals, and Clusters by 1 (Minimum 1). Increase yield of Fire Shards, Crystals, and Clusters by 1. Enables the ability to catch fish requiring Hot Wave or Heat Spell weather.

Garuda - Cyclone Bracer - Once every 120 seconds, when a spell is being cast, the caster cannot be killed until the casting is completed. Reduce recipe's required amount of Wind Shards, Crystals, and Clusters by 1 (Minimum 1). Increase yield of Wind Shards, Crystals, and Clusters by 1. Enables the ability to catch fish requiring Fog or Wind weather.

Titan - Spirit of the Golem - Doubles the effectiveness of the "Stoneskin" and "Galvanize" buffs. In combat, this only works once every 120 seconds. Reduce recipe's required amount of Earth Shards, Crystals, and Clusters by 1 (Minimum 1). Increase yield of Earth Shards, Crystals, and Clusters by 1. Enables the ability to catch fish requiring Dust Storm or Sand Storm weather.

Leviathan - Tidal Force - Auto-Attack has a 5% chance of inflicting a 3 yalm knockback. Reduce recipe's required amount of Water Shards, Crystals, and Clusters by 1 (Minimum 1). Increase yield of Water Shards, Crystals, and Clusters by 1. Enables the ability to catch fish requiring Shower, or Gale weather.

Ramuh - Judgment's Pull - Enmity generated by Auto-Attacks from a Sword or Axe are increased by 100%. Reduce recipe's required amount of Lightning Shards, Crystals, and Clusters by 1 (Minimum 1). Increase yield of Lightning Shards, Crystals, and Clusters by 1. Enables the ability to catch fish requiring Thunder or Thunderstorm weather.

Shiva - Diamond Radiance - Effectiveness of "Protect" doubled, increases evasion by 5%. Reduce recipe's required amount of Ice Shards, Crystals, and Clusters by 1 (Minimum 1). Increase yield of Ice Shards, Crystals, and Clusters by 1. Enables the ability to catch fish in Blizzard or Snow weather.

Good King Moogle Mog XII - Kupo-operation! - Increases base stats (STR, DEX, VIT, INT, MND, PIE) by 2 for every represented Job in your Light Party, and 1 for every represented Job in your Full Party. (If in an Alliance, just your section of the alliance). Increases Materia Melding success rate by 10%. Increases odds of gathering items by 5% (does not affect Gathering skill). Enables the ability to catch fish in Aurora or Gloom weather.

These are just some thoughts. Ultimately, I would like some more company actions that help everyone in the FC and not just only one of the three main Disciple groups at a time.

Before this is possible we need to reach a point in the story where the LORE makes it possible. This also wasn't specifically a PvP item but simply an FC ability. They'll also need to implement content along side this that utilizes it so it isn't simply some silly novelty.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

I have mixed feelings about this suggestion, even knowing that it's already a planned feature in some scope.

I don't... like the idea of being able to summon an actual primal. It's very lorebreaking that the primal would even listen to the FC's commands, nevermind obey them. The only primal I could even see doing that, if any of them, is Ramuh.

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Well lore wise the Allagan have been dealing with and manipulating the primals; Summoner Egis, Ultima Weapon, and even Dalamud come to mind. It's not to far fetch for them to build a device to capture a primals aether and create a unstable clone of the primal to do their bidding.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

Before this is possible we need to reach a point in the story where the LORE makes it possible. This also wasn't specifically a PvP item but simply an FC ability. They'll also need to implement content along side this that utilizes it so it isn't simply some silly novelty.

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I agree too. There needs to be something that happens that allows primals to willfully manifest themselves into existence without the use of crystals. Then again it's know that primals existence during Allagan Empire and the third age. It's also know that it wasn't the beastmen that summoned them during that time because it was the Ascian that taught them how in 1.xx. It could be the natural state of primals was to roam free and only when the seal was created over Silvertear Falls that this process was corrupted.

People keep saying it would be lore-breaking.

You are wrong.

SE wouldn't even consider the possibility, let alone legitimately make it a planned feature, if they didn't think it possible lore-wise somehow.

The whole FC summoning thing is part if not a big reason behind smn getting the peice of crap looking egi thing in the first place. And if you would be so kind as to point me to a recent link that SE have mention any word of this b/c last time I think yoshi talked about that was E3 2013, which is before 2.0 lunch and maybe one or 2 statement about it around 2.1.
SE got ppl hyped on FC summoning and pissed off a good bit of summoner when they saw what they got as summons. But would you be so kind as to provid link please.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

SE wouldn't even consider the possibility, let alone legitimately make it a planned feature, if they didn't think it possible lore-wise somehow.

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Lightning Strikes
Burgeoning Dread
Breaking Brick Mountains

Tell you what. Give me a good explanation for each one of these and how not a single one is lorebreaking and I might just concede to your point.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

Lightning Strikes
Burgeoning Dread
Breaking Brick Mountains

Tell you what. Give me a good explanation for each one of these and how not a single one is lorebreaking and I might just concede to your point.

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Final Fantasy Dissidia and the SE Multiverse. FFXIV is but one universe in a multiverse existence. At least this is how it was explained. Though I think I've covered the nonlorebreaking aspect fairly well in a post above. By the way every time I see your banner it makes me want to get the Odin Helm and glamour it lol

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Originally Posted by ereskigal

The whole FC summoning thing is part if not a big reason behind smn getting the peice of crap looking egi thing in the first place. And if you would be so kind as to point me to a recent link that SE have mention any word of this b/c last time I think yoshi talked about that was E3 2013, which is before 2.0 lunch and maybe one or 2 statement about it around 2.1.
SE got ppl hyped on FC summoning and pissed off a good bit of summoner when they saw what they got as summons. But would you be so kind as to provid link please.

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15:59 Q. What happened to the concept of Primals roaming around out in the land?
Yoshi-P: This has not gone away, it's still on our list of tasks. However, we want it to feel natural within the world and main scenario, and we haven't quite figured this out yet.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

Lightning Strikes
Burgeoning Dread

Tell you what. Give me a good explanation for each one of these and how not a single one is lorebreaking and I might just concede to your point.

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These 2 both explain themselves. Lightning can travel time/dimensions. Shantotto had all her clones/other dimension selves go back to their own dimensions. Due to some of them being evil (or at least some having the possibility), it really wouldnt be a stretch to think some would instead to go another dimension.

Breaking Brick Mountains is just golems made by bricks, instead of some other substance that came directly from the earth.

Take a look at hunts. You want to try and tell me that if FC based primal summoning was implemented (Probably would be rooted in FATEs or something akin to it, like Hunts) that it wouldn't immediately turn into a cutthroat server wide war between a handful of 3-4 Free Companies monopolizing the system?

Either content is worthwhile and it becomes a war to get the rewards or it isn't and it's totally ignored.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Final Fantasy Dissidia and the SE Multiverse. FFXIV is but one universe in a multiverse existence. At least this is how it was explained. Though I think I've covered the nonlorebreaking aspect fairly well in a post above. By the way every time I see your banner it makes me want to get the Odin Helm and glamour it lol

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That's False.

Lightning Strikes and Burgeoning Dread, I can understand being explained away by the Dissidia Multiverse. The Breaking Brick Mountains comes direct from Dragon Quest, which has absolutely zero precedent setting foot in Final Fantasy lands. Not only that, but DQ was initially an Enix title. For XIV to assimilate DQ lore would open up the possibility of not only Enix's entire roster entering FFXIV, but also Eidos.

That means that, if it weren't lorebreaking and anyone could come in using the multiverse theory, we'd start seeing Gabriel Celeste, the Ten Wise Men, Lara Croft, Adam Jensen, and a host of other really really out-of-place characters.

I mean, do I mind that it's lorebreaking that any of these characters could come in at any time? A few of them yeah (Especially the Eidos characters), but not all of them. Doesn't mean they're not lorebreaking.

...and think about it. I mean really THINK. Look at Ifrit. He doesn't even take orders from the Amal'jaa. What in the name of the Twelve are you thinking that he'll somehow miraculously bend his knee to a bunch of humans? There is just no way whatsoever that could happen with the lore as it stands right now.

It is already in the Summoner Lore for people to have the ability (though atm, it may be lost to us, we could very well re-discover it) to summon Primals.

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In times immemorial, there lived mages who had not only the power to summon the primals, but also the means to transmute the primals' essences, thus binding them to their will.

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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/jobs/content

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

These 2 both explain themselves. Lightning can travel time/dimensions. Shantotto had all her clones/other dimension selves go back to their own dimensions. Due to some of them being evil (or at least some having the possibility), it really wouldnt be a stretch to think some would instead to go another dimension.

Breaking Brick Mountains is just golems made by bricks, instead of some other substance that came directly from the earth.

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Shantotto also has the ability herself to traverse different dimensions as well. Not just the other Shantotto's that's how that whole mess got started in that storyline back on XI.

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Originally Posted by Yamimarik

It is already in the Summoner Lore for people to have the ability (though atm, it may be lost to us, we could very well re-discover it) to summon Primals.


http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/jobs/content

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If that is so, then why, in the final SMN job quest, did someone need 10 Summoner Soul Stones just to summon a more powerful egi instead of a full, actual primal themselves? I mean sure, they weren't Warriors of Light, but the power differential wasn't even all that wide. I mean, if Summoners really did have the power to summon the actual primals themselves, that power is clearly long since gone, or rests exclusively with the Ascians. There is no way I could see a player playing as a summoner being able to summon enough essence of a primal and control it unless something in the lore reveals itself, like a special focusing device or something.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

If that is so, then why, in the final SMN job quest, did someone need 10 Summoner Soul Stones just to summon a more powerful egi instead of a full, actual primal themselves? I mean sure, they weren't Warriors of Light, but the power differential wasn't even all that wide. I mean, if Summoners really did have the power to summon the actual primals themselves, that power is clearly long since gone, or rests exclusively with the Ascians. There is no way I could see a player playing as a summoner being able to summon enough essence of a primal and control it unless something in the lore reveals itself, like a special focusing device or something.

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I never said a single individual could summon 1 primal or more by themselves, even in that tid-bit of lore it says a tribe of mages. Maybe it took an entire tribe of Summoner's to summon a primal. I'm just saying it is already in Summoner's histories that people other than beastmen have the power and means somehow to summon full blown primals to their side. How this is accomplished we don't know yet, and probably won't until they implement the system.

SE has already stated they want to add this system in, I'm sure it will come with the appropriate lore, plus we have no idea how Shiva will come about, maybe that will be the key we need in order to learn how to summon a Primal to our side/aid. There are no histories of Shiva, and no way of knowing how she comes to be or who summons her.

Belias wasn't just an oversized Egi, he was the Egi of a former Elder Primal...buddy had to piece that power together from the collective experiences of ten different Allagan-era SMNs since, A) Belias has not been recently Summoned and therefore cannot be defeated in order to confront the Egi form in the normal way and B) The soul stones only hold the memories of the individuals who held that particular stone so if it took ten SMNs to fully summon the Primal, then you need the memories of those ten to at least form the Egi.

I wouldn't get too hung up on lore since the dev team is actually going to make roaming primals a reality. My question is do you like the mechanics of this concept I layed out or do you have another idea on how it should work?