Hello all well like the topic says i been trying to "Incapacitating" some Black Crow Cleaver (Human , level 46-49) and they dont do anything when suposely i can incapacitate with my lancer ..
This is Acording to the Lodestone Topic HERE ?
"Humanoids / Head/Right Arm / Left Arm / Legs"
So i can use Moonrise 2 or Chaos Thrust
Incapacitating New Monster/Skills Patch 1.18
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07-31-2011, 03:52 PMLauroIncapacitating New Monster/Skills Patch 1.18
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08-06-2011, 12:46 AMSerio
They probably use a weaponskill that is based on their legs. I'm assuming you're incapping legs with Skewer II right? I know that when I incap Amalj'aa with Seismic Shock (also leg incap), their Decimate WS hits me for 0. When I incap their head, their overall att and acc goes down.
Incaps are basically for NMs because by the time you incap a regular mob, it's almost dead, and you can't even tell exactly what skill/trait/stat has been incapacitated. If you want to really see the effects of your incaps, fight something easy, incap it real quick, and then turn around and let it hit you. Monitor their attack and WS damage. Notice whether they are using specific WS or not. Another thing is that an incap might just mean the mob drops a rare item, obtainable only by incap. I'm not sure if there's any extended literature out there about incap data. -
08-06-2011, 03:46 AMGidonoidon_Sur
I have no idea how incaps work or how to do them. Anyone care to give a quick rundown and a few examples?
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08-06-2011, 06:35 AMorigamikitsune
IN short, certain weapon skills can be used to target certain locations on Mobs to incap them. This has a couple of effects; 1.) Attacks they use, defensive or offensive buffs the gain, etc., are either removed completely or nerferd 2.) cause an increased likelihood of getting a drop, or makes a drop possible that wasn't possible with incap.
Examples: Fighting Old Six Arms, incap the shell, and it no longer gets its defense boost hiding ability that crabs have. Also, fighting great buffalo, Lancer can use Twisting Vice while standing on the mobs left side to incapacitate its left horn, making it so that the horn will drop; same can be done on Elder mosshorn to get mossy horn to drop.
Each class has different weapon skills that incap different locations, and require you to stand in different places to perform them. Lodestone has the information on which skills where. I do not know if incap works if you are using the skills cross-class. -
08-06-2011, 06:57 AMLauro
i Would also like to know something , on this Lodestone Page which is official by SE Incapacitate there are some Types of MOBS that are missing arent they ?
AVIAN, DEVIL (batral?), well i can only think of that :) but anyone know if there is a more complete list or is this it ?? also what CATEGORY does the Bosses "OGRE" and "BATRAL" fall into ?? that is if we can do anything about themm.. ?? -
08-06-2011, 07:06 AMzaviermhigo
Yeah incaps just "increase the likelihood of drops", some people don't believe in them, i'm a die hard believer, if you look up nps on eorzeapedia or zam's wiki, i forgot which has it, they have most of the incaps for nms. Normal mobs not sure.
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08-06-2011, 07:13 AMReinheart
good example is the bones with pug concussive blow2 take the head off and get drop on the skull eye patch :)
Hog NM with pug concussive blow2 can make it's WS do a lot less damage (at least seems that way after the incap message) -
08-06-2011, 01:47 PMMariyaShidouOgre is Humanoid, I can incap his left arm with Foeseeker. Didn't check Bartraal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lauro
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08-07-2011, 03:12 AMLauroWOW cool really... didnt knew... arggh regretfully i dont have the skill ohh well good to know thanks . but do you know this for a fact ?? and what "effect" does this has on the boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariyaShidou
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08-07-2011, 11:42 AMJynxSome items need to be incapacited to allow them to drop. Crab shells, skull eyepatches, and a few other examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by zaviermhigo
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08-07-2011, 11:46 AMzaviermhigoYeah i know I went and did these things with people and they said "just because you did incap and it drops doesn't mean anything we could of got it to drop without incap" which is true, it just takes a longer time. So everyone should be incapping always, and for the nms with 30 gear and such, i believe different incaps effect different gear pieces also. Not telling the person I quoted, just info for anyone who doesn't know, its just a belief going around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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08-08-2011, 07:59 PMMariyaShidouUm no, you CAN NOT get crab shell without incap, Horns as well. Just last night I got a Horn off the Ogre in DarkHold though, guess we incap his head without checking :p and that might have something to do with him attempting Infernal Drop only a grand total 3 times throughout the 10 minutes fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by zaviermhigo
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08-08-2011, 10:50 PMSerioThat's pretty cool. I haven't gotten high enough to go with my linkshell to fight the ogre, but I have been speculating that you can disable/nerf their WS with incaps. It would be especially helpful for me as a PUG, since the preferred party setup is GLD CON CON CON ARC ARC ARC ARC. You can beat the bosses raw like that, but if incaps weaken certain WS, then close range melee will surely become more welcome in the raids.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariyaShidou
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08-09-2011, 01:15 AMReinheart
Dunno about now but when skull eye patch first came out without incap the head it never drop, we got invited by some NA guys when we were 19-20 without con blow2 and we been farming for maybe 1 hr or something 0 drop. After getting con blow 2 (back then) it drop like hell :) made some good money off of that.