New Dark Knight Tank

From what I remember of Dark Knights in XI, they primarily focused on 'drains' and 'absorbs', as well as the use of minor black magic. There would need to be changes to their casting in order to make them viable tanks and still have these abilities, however. It'd be useless to have black magic and not be able to cast due to interruption from damage.

The core idea for a revised XIV DRK tank would be a persistent buff that would give them a sort of 'bloodbath' lifesteal effect and would then be enhanced upon by other abilities in their repertoire. In addition to this, have their combos not only increase enmity, but absorb attributes from their targets to enhance their own. Either this or have abilities to take care of this and make the combos deliver elemental damage depending on how they're executed.

Of possible additions to the tanking role, I think it would fit perfectly in its own way.

Why would DRK be a tank? Traditionally, the class focuses on sacrificing HP to deal huge damage. They are the polar opposite to PLD (big two handed weapons, black magic, squishy because they convert hp to damage).

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Originally Posted by Alphras

Why would DRK be a tank? Traditionally, the class focuses on sacrificing HP to deal huge damage. They are the polar opposite to PLD (big two handed weapons, black magic, squishy because they convert hp to damage).

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The only tank reference for DRK is FFXI where it was one of the best tanks in the games prime.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

The only tank reference for DRK is FFXI where it was one of the best tanks in the games prime.

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In what universe was DRK a Tank in XI? i played from 2004 till Now, and DRK was never tanking at any time or period.

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Originally Posted by Nanaho

In what universe was DRK a Tank in XI? i played from 2004 till Now, and DRK was never tanking at any time or period.

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DK with an Apocalypse was an amazing tank. However, it was more of the community repurposing it than by design. The reason we could tank so well with it was the weapon skill catastrophe. Every time it was used (except against undead) it healed for around 1/3 of the damage (give or take). That was in addition to most of DK's abilities generated a massive amount of hate.

They already KILLED Summoner if they make dark knight a tank I think I might quit the game.

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Originally Posted by Nanaho

In what universe was DRK a Tank in XI? i played from 2004 till Now, and DRK was never tanking at any time or period.

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Not sure what to tell you. I tanked HNMs my entire career. (PLD,MNK,SAM,DRK,NIN were my jobs) DRK was the premier tank for HNM content from 06-2011ish when SAM took over, then it turned into MNK for Delve. DRK has more hate mechanics then other jobs and could hit the cap the fastest, especially before the haste cap/spell hate cap. (RDM and BRD had their moments as well but I still put DRK on top because of the added DPS)

I had all the tank toys besides Koga:
http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Cerberus/Taint

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Originally Posted by Korbenik

They already KILLED Summoner if they make dark knight a tank I think I might quit the game.

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It's not a horrible idea. As much as I'd like DRK to be DPS, I think I'd get much more opportunity to play it if it were a tank.

They always wore heavy armor, so they've got that covered. The drains, enfeebles and absorbs could be used for threat and sustaining itself. The only thing that gets tricky is souleater, as sacrificing life for damage wouldn't be good as a tank. But perhaps sacrifice hp for a stoneskin/alod bubble type damage shield? or life for a reduction in incoming damage? A hallowed ground ability that takes them down to 1hp but makes them invincible for a time? The option to sacrifice life for damage to be used only during burst phases?

They could make it work.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

The only tank reference for DRK is FFXI where it was one of the best tanks in the games prime.

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FFX-2, dark knight ~ One of the best melee dmg in the game, sacrifice HP to deal massive dmg to all enemies, ect..

I too would prefer dark knight to be a dps that comes from gld if they keep with the current system.
I think they would be interesting if they actually had them use hp management to do high damage as their gimmick. They would have abilities that would do lots of damage but also do damage to the drk (classic soul eater ability) and abilities that would do less damage but would cause the drk to regain health (maybe one that did a self regen and a different one that did a self flat heal). There would also probably have to be some sort of effect that would temporarily disable the drk from being able to be able to be healed by other players for balance purposes, for example a "stance" called shroud of darkness that increases damage done and healing from their own abilities, but restricts healing from others. So those mechanics with Vit stacking to maximize HP to use as your resource to do more damage, abilities with a good mix of off gcd and short cool downs requiring you manage your dps or kill yourself could make for a very interesting and powerful burst damage dps.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Not sure what to tell you. I tanked HNMs my entire career. (PLD,MNK,SAM,DRK,NIN were my jobs) DRK was the premier tank for HNM content from 06-2011ish when SAM took over, then it turned into MNK for Delve.

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You can't say "DRK is a tank" when the minimum required to tank is a Relic Weapon.

IF dark knight gets introduced anytime in the near future it will be a tank (in my opinion), because this game already has 2 melee DPS and a 3rd on the way. For this reason I don't think we will be seeing DRK soon, because it ought to fall into the DPS role.

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Originally Posted by Warrlordd

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While this may be true, I have a feeling that SE will probably release 2 dps jobs for every healer and tank job released just based on the class/job and party setup they have. So based on this I feel that they will either release one more dps before the expansion or one of each role with the expansion.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

While this may be true, I have a feeling that SE will probably release 2 dps jobs for every healer and tank job released just based on the class/job and party setup they have. So based on this I feel that they will either release one more dps before the expansion or one of each role with the expansion.

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The usual party setup means we need as many DPS as tanks and healers combined.
Now, we have 2 tanks, 2 healers...and 5 (Soon 6) DPS. To keep the balance we need more tanks and/or healers.

And Yoshida confirmed that we'll see no new job between 2.4 and the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

The usual party setup means we need as many DPS as tanks and healers combined.
Now, we have 2 tanks, 2 healers...and 5 (Soon 6) DPS. To keep the balance we need more tanks and/or healers.

And Yoshida confirmed that we'll see no new job between 2.4 and the expansion.

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Based on what Yoshida has said, we should be getting a new tank and healer with the expansion which would put it at 3 tanks / 3 healers / 6 dps, which is equal.

So, 2.4 (2 tank/2 heal/ 6 dps), 3.0 (3 tank/ 3 heal/ 7 dps), 3.5 (3 tank/ 3 heal/ 8 dps), 4.0 (4 tank/ 4 heal/ 9 dps), etc. was the approximate release pattern that I was guessing at based on the class release pattern from 2.0 to 3.0, assuming they keep the one lead on number of dps classes that they currently have.
Otherwise it will most likely be something along the lines of 2.4 (2 tank/2 heal/ 6 dps), 3.0 (3 tank/ 3 heal/ 6 dps), 3.5 (3 tank/ 3 heal/ 7 dps), 4.0 (4 tank/ 4 heal/ 8 dps), etc.

why not a buster sword tank who could add materia specific to his role. then say hes mt he could have maybe a vitality materia but it acts differently. say it gives 3 vit, instead if its attached to the sword it gives 3 vit minus on attacks. or they could just make a materia for it that could gives hims specific defensive spells. then if he wanted to be dps he could have a different sword that has spell materias so he could attack. in 7 they had the enemy skill materia too, they could make something like that where he could add buffs or spells they know to a materia then add it to the sword so it would make a whole nother path hed have to take to be good

Novus is enough to make the prices skyrocket, we can't have a job where materia are mandatory.

DRK/NIN with haste cap was by far the most effective tank for Fafnir/Nidhogg atleast, aswell as King Vinegarroon, Dark Ixion (when he came) ect ect ect, but it requierd some skill

However, it was never "intended" as a tank. NIN wasn't eighter, at first (speaking of XI here)

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Originally Posted by Hecky

However, it was never "intended" as a tank. NIN wasn't eighter, at first (speaking of XI here)

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And the true intended tank PLD wasn't very good at its job. WAR was a very good tank however.


DRK was also the best tank at Khimera,Cerberus, and Tiamat especially if the DRK was skilled enough to be in the stun rotation.

This thread makes me want to resub for a month lol.

Dark Knight is a DPS. There are plenty of established tank jobs in the franchise to pick from if they want to add another one.

Just to throw around as a thought, while dark Knight got alot of attention in 11, It's been an FF staple since as early as Final Fantasy 2 (Leon), and Most Notable Dark Knight from 4, Cecil. They have always used a sword and shield in the olden days, and as it stands the current sword/shield combo is a tank, so its a very real possibility Dark Knight could become a tank class. 11 made dark Knights into a dps class, so please don't solidify them into it. they "could" very easily swing both ways, and personally I'd love it if they made Dark Knight a Pure "Blood/Lifesteal" tank. Much more lifesteal abilitys than the current warrior layout.

On an addendum to this post, why not Rune Fencer? When can I have a more Magic Defence Tank for content that does purely magic damage (Stares at Ramuh).

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

They have always used a sword and shield in the olden days, and as it stands the current sword/shield combo is a tank, so its a very real possibility Dark Knight could become a tank class.

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Sword & Shield is not "a tank", it's Gladiator's arm.
The only thing you could say is that its a very real possibility that Dark Knight could evolve from Gladiator.
And it'd be useless to give another Tank job to Gladiator that would have 15 skills shared with PLD.

Honestly, I'd be extremely upset if they introduced Drk as a tank, it's always pretty much been a DPS class.

But I am pretty excited to look badass with a scythe!! Hell yeah!

https://33.media.tumblr.com/34942086...0ylso1_500.gif

https://38.media.tumblr.com/199dc396...lsxgo1_500.gif

https://31.media.tumblr.com/fd64d3e8...lsxgo1_500.gif

I really like scythes >.<

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Originally Posted by Drakanous

From what I remember of Dark Knights in XI, they primarily focused on 'drains' and 'absorbs'

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Those were the bad DRKs.

But the idea's sound; they could certainly make a drain-oriented tank here.

Could also do a variation of what XI had; give them a trait that makes them uninterruptable for a short time after a parry, like PLD had with shield blocks. Give them Lancer secondaries and then you could even have times the tank would use BfB if they had a Dread Spikes ability. (short term "shield" where damage received gets drained 100% to a max amount, effectively negating all physical damage for a short time)

But yeah, too many DRK dps fans would rage.

Someone said DRK was tank in IX?? If so I believe RDM was a better TANK. ^^;

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Originally Posted by Moqi

Dark Knight is a DPS. There are plenty of established tank jobs in the franchise to pick from if they want to add another one.

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"Plenty"

There's like 2 more possibilities. Templar and Viking (which is what Warrior seems to be).

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Someone said DRK was tank in IX?? If so I believe RDM was a better TANK. ^^;

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There was a phase where drk/nin or nin/drk tanked stuff.

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Originally Posted by Serephine

But I am pretty excited to look badass with a scythe!! Hell yeah!

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Scythes only existed in FFXI, so don't get your hopes too high.

But with the flashy animation, it'd look really cool, yes :)

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Originally Posted by Exstal

"Plenty"

There's like 2 more possibilities. Templar and Viking (which is what Warrior seems to be).

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Samurai

/10char

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Scythes only existed in FFXI, so don't get your hopes too high.

But with the flashy animation, it'd look really cool, yes :)

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not exactly FF, but it's still from square

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2.../a5/Magus2.png

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

not exactly FF

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Great understatement to say that Chrono Trigger has nothing to do with Final Fantasy.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

but it's still from square

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Super Mario RPG is from Square...should we expect the Mushroom Kingdom as a future zone ? :p

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

Samurai

/10char

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I was going off this quote.

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established tank jobs in the franchise

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I'd personally like Samurai tank but it's kind of like a black sheep only really being a tank in XI, where it failed to do its one job.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Great understatement to say that Chrono Trigger has nothing to do with Final Fantasy.

Super Mario RPG is from Square...should we expect the Mushroom Kingdom as a future zone ? :p

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chrono trigger is ever so much closer to FF than Super Mario RPG :p

not to mention it's awesome

i rest my case

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Originally Posted by Exstal

I'd personally like Samurai tank but it's kind of like a black sheep only really being a tank in XI, where it failed to do its one job.

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Eh, i think most entries have it wearing heavy armor and use of defensive abilities, which make it a reasonable fit for a tank

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

Eh, i think most entries have it wearing heavy armor and use of defensive abilities, which make it a reasonable fit for a tank

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I think it only has the one, "blade catch". But let's say this is valid, that's only 2 *possible* tank jobs (since Viking is Warrior).

I'm actually really happy to hear the announcement that Dark Knight will be introduced as a tank. And not with lancer class, which was the most ridiculous thing I'd seen on reddit. Well, it's not with any class, if you wanna get technical. Thanks for everyone's contribution to the thread, I understand how most of you felt in wanting DRK as a dps which would have also made sense. It does look like they're going in the right direction so far, though. I'm very excited to see it in action in 3.0

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Originally Posted by Korbenik

They already KILLED Summoner if they make dark knight a tank I think I might quit the game.

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Well, I hope you give it a shot since it will, in fact, be a tank. Looks like they'll make it good, but that's 100% speculation since they've released little more than the weapon type and very broad description of its playstyle.

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Originally Posted by Korbenik

They already KILLED Summoner if they make dark knight a tank I think I might quit the game.

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V.V I can't agree more 2 of my 4 favorite jobs are disappointing to me now. Lets hope something good happens with red mage (if it ever comes out!) I'd rather not only play DRG :(