Delay on certain skills?

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08-28-2014, 05:20 AM
Blargs_Away

Delay on certain skills?

Has anyone else noticed any delays when using skills like, Sacred Soil, Miasma II, Lustrate, Shadowflare, and things like any mount or mini pet? I've tried on 3 different computers and 2 different internet connections and every time I try to use these specific things there just seems to be some kind of delay where I have to activate them multiple times to get it going... :<
08-28-2014, 05:27 AM
Velox

The delay you're seeing is the animation. The actual effect of the skill, whether it be damage, buff, debuff, or heal, is always applied AFTER the animation completes. If we use Sacred Soil as an example, the damage reduction buff is applied to the players after the "dome" is finished building itself.
08-28-2014, 05:36 AM
Blargs_Away

There' sno delay w/ the animatin. The skills aren't even being used when I press the assigned button.
08-28-2014, 05:58 AM
Tam_Hawkins

there is a one second delay with sacred soil which is pretty bad seeing that it is the oh shit button for Paladin, i cannot say anything about the other skills
08-28-2014, 08:31 PM
Kiara1

Yeah its really annoying, but that's how this game works. I think they made it slow paced so that everyone can play it and do all the content.
My sister actually quit cause of that delay though and ive tried to get some friends to join but they all had the same issue with the slow paced combat.

I can't count on my fingers how many times a tank has died cause benediction didn't happen but the animation happened. Or as a blm trying to use mana ward to avoid an aoe.
Those spells seem rather silly when we need to wait 1 second to use them.
08-28-2014, 08:55 PM
Volcano

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

Yeah its really annoying, but that's how this game works. I think they made it slow paced so that everyone can play it and do all the content.
My sister actually quit cause of that delay though and ive tried to get some friends to join but they all had the same issue with the slow paced combat.

I can't count on my fingers how many times a tank has died cause benediction didn't happen but the animation happened. Or as a blm trying to use mana ward to avoid an aoe.
Those spells seem rather silly when we need to wait 1 second to use them.

That irks me like no other, and i am pretty lenient with how some things are off in this game, but i detest using benediction on someone and they STILL die, i'v lost my CD in complete vain. Not as "instant" as it has you to believe.
08-28-2014, 09:01 PM
Rikkustrife

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Originally Posted by Tam_Hawkins

there is a one second delay with sacred soil which is pretty bad seeing that it is the oh shit button for Paladin, i cannot say anything about the other skills

I think you mean hollowed ground, since sacred soil is for scholar.

yes I noticed it with lustrate, and hollowed ground, especially in frontlines, very annoying when I die because of it
08-28-2014, 09:19 PM
Tam_Hawkins

What makes it even worse is that even if the effect Fails because of this delay the cd starts...

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Originally Posted by Rikkustrife

I think you mean hollowed ground, since sacred soil is for scholar.

yes I noticed it with lustrate, and hollowed ground, especially in frontlines, very annoying when I die because of it

right^^ i Play in german so i'm not used to most of the english names.
08-28-2014, 10:17 PM
Bixby

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Originally Posted by Blargs_Away

There' sno delay w/ the animatin. The skills aren't even being used when I press the assigned button.

Are you using the skills straight out of the spell book, or through macros? If you're using macros, they can't/won't queue up early the way regular abilities from the spellbook will. (You can activate an ability about half a second early, and it will fire as soon as it's available; not so with macros.) So there's always going to be <your latency + your button spamming speed> delay between an ability in a macro becoming available and the macro actually firing.
08-28-2014, 11:41 PM
Kydi

I get a really bad delay with Circle of Scorn. Often I'll use it, the animation will trigger but the ability won't work and go onto cd, meaning I need to use it again. Personally I think defensive cooldowns should be completely instant - keep an animation, but the effect needs to happen instantly and not require me hammer the hotkey.
08-28-2014, 11:43 PM
Tupsi

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Originally Posted by Volcano

That irks me like no other, and i am pretty lenient with how some things are off in this game, but i detest using benediction on someone and they STILL die, i'v lost my CD in complete vain. Not as "instant" as it has you to believe.

That's why despite all the hate that gets flung around when you mention it, I like that when I hit Invincible/Benediction in XI it's instant, though it actually being instant caused a lot of issues when I accidentally hit my benediction macro and now suddenly tanking something I shouldn't be >.>
08-28-2014, 11:47 PM
Drako

For some reason this gets me thinking how slow "Final Sting" is when your running Hullbreaker Isle. It takes literally 2-3 seconds for it to proc after you have been hit. I wonder if they intended for a more elaborate animation before the hit or what. Thats a minor bug I wonder if they will fix one of these days.

Off topic, I've always wanted to know this but is Sacred Soil what Y'Shtola uses to protect the player in the 1.0 Limsa opening Cutscene? I believe she uses it again in 2.0 somewhere but I can't remember anymore.

I remember always hoping as a Conj in 1.0 that we'd get access to that awesome spell. And its one thing that makes me kinda wanna play SCH. Just for a small sense of fulfillment.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...la_Barrier.jpg
08-28-2014, 11:52 PM
Tupsi

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Originally Posted by Drako

For some reason this gets me thinking how slow "Final Sting" is when your running Hullbreaker Isle. It takes literally 2-3 seconds for it to proc after you have been hit. I wonder if they intended for a more elaborate animation before the hit or what. Thats a minor bug I wonder if they will fix one of these days.

Not a bug, all during 1.2x and ARR beta Yoshida reiterated he can't/won't sync up damage with the animation because it causes stress of some kind (likely server/client I assume?) Since he also mentioned not wanting people to focus on battle logs rather than the fight itself..so idk.
08-29-2014, 12:03 AM
Drako

Well considering most everything else in the game syncs up way faster this this particular item I'm referring, I have to disagree with you.
08-29-2014, 12:09 AM
Tupsi

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Originally Posted by Drako

Well considering most everything else in the game syncs up way faster this this particular item I'm referring, I have to disagree with you.

For example Scylla's Unholy can hit you 'twice' and isn't exactly sync'd either..as is Ancient Flare also has a bit of a desync to it. Xande's Quake stuff also isn't sync'd up. So it's definitely a design choice. Final Sting ever since Qarn temple has always had a delay to it, so it's definitely desync'd for a particular reason.
08-29-2014, 12:21 AM
Fayto

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Originally Posted by Kydi

I get a really bad delay with Circle of Scorn. Often I'll use it, the animation will trigger but the ability won't work and go onto cd, meaning I need to use it again. Personally I think defensive cooldowns should be completely instant - keep an animation, but the effect needs to happen instantly and not require me hammer the hotkey.

Are you sure you're in range of it? It is a pretty small range, after all.
08-29-2014, 12:34 AM
Kydi

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Originally Posted by Fayto

Are you sure you're in range of it? It is a pretty small range, after all.

I'm in melee range if that's what you mean, but CoS can be used whenever as it's a PBAoE. The animation works but the ability does nothing. I wonder if it's a side effect of being based in Europe without an actual European data centre and its just lag.