Hello,
Lately i've been looking for the serious talk about how much every stat weighs, the Bis and all that... I know it was supposed to be improved, I read many topics about it but they were all 6-7 months old.
So is there a forum, thread or any place where people are still discussing all these, and updating them ? I'm interested in participating in those.
Thanks !
Stats Weight and all the maths talk
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08-26-2014, 05:55 PMEhnneStats Weight and all the maths talk
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08-26-2014, 06:14 PMPowercow
Pretty much everything in regards to stat weights still holds true today. Very little in terms of class abilities has changed in the last 7 months or so (at least not to the extent where any stat weights would be notably shifted.)
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/
This is a pretty neat site for comparing gear. There's a BiS calculator at the bottom but beware: it can sometimes take an incredibly long time to finish the math. Still, it lays everything out for every class very cleanly, including where to get it, so it's good for that if nothing else. The default stat weights listed can be pretty iffy, but it's still a useful site. -
08-26-2014, 06:49 PMEhnne
Ok thanks, I already noticed this website, but as the stats weigh seemed weird to me, I thought it wasn't updated ^^
I'll give it a try ! -
08-27-2014, 01:52 AMEjell
The stat's weight of ariyala comes from this thread : http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...accuracy_caps/
Based on the work of EasymodeX and more. -
08-27-2014, 03:28 AMAikaalI have yet to see the calcs or that famous spreadsheet of EasymodeX x.x I mean, I want to beleive those numbers but there's nothing to defend those numbers. I never saw the spreadsheet, to me it doesn't exist lol. I know for a fact that Det isn't that good for BLM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ejell
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08-27-2014, 07:58 AMEphierDET is BLMs best stat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aikaal
Read up.
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08-27-2014, 10:15 AMChaozKOnly on a 1 point vs 1 point basis. When you consider the lower distribution of det on gear, it actually turns out to be BLMs worst stat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephier
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08-27-2014, 02:10 PMAikaalNot correct. The max det you can get from a 110 weapon is 31 versus 44 for Spellspeed. 44 SS > 31 Det. Also, SS value is higher with Selene which, if you're scholar is good, should be using over Eos with few exception. Hell, 44 Crit > 31 Det. That's unfortunate but it is the way it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephier
Unlike other classes however, you don't get punish much by having Det in your gear since it's your lowest stat. Skill Speed is extremely bad on bard if you compare det for BLM.
The only item that is worth having Determination is your Novus because 31 Det > 31 Crit.
EasymodeX's spreadsheet claims Det is worth more than Puro's spreadsheet but I'd like to actually see that spreadsheet which doesn't seem to exist in the Internet. -
08-27-2014, 05:01 PMEphierI am talking about on a point by point basis. If the situation ever arose where BLM gear had a better distribution of DET, you would all be (or should be) jumping on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aikaal
Also while EMX was not too keen on giving his spreadsheets out, I did trust his work. If you ever browsed around in the 2.0 times, the amount of math that EMX and Powercow laid out was absurd. -
08-27-2014, 05:36 PMHaroldSaxonWrong. Read that same link again. If you are with a scholar worth his salt, spellspeed is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephier
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08-27-2014, 05:37 PMEphierThats every 30 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon
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08-27-2014, 05:38 PMHaroldSaxonThe problem with EMX was he did a lot of dragoon testing, and then just switched the stats out for the other classes, which is stupid. His datasets were poor and he would accuse people of being racist if they questioned him. I can't say I miss him since he moved to other games, probably suits him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephier
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08-27-2014, 05:38 PMHaroldSaxonThat is taken into accountQuote:
Originally Posted by Ephier
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08-27-2014, 05:46 PMEphierPart of that I can agree with, but because I actually knew him in game, I can say that he did switch it up a bit in the end before he switch over games. Now not saying EMX spreadsheets are the almighty answer to stat weights, just saying he put in a decent amount of work into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon
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08-28-2014, 03:15 AMAikaalThere is a huge problem with that. I don't do these calcs, they would consume me too much time that I am not willing to invest. But I do invest time to see investing on which stat seems to increase my DPS. I value these spreadsheets and I look at Puro's spreadsheet because I am a main BLM. His numbers are there, I,ve tested them and so far, testing them myself, I have to give him right. EMX spreadsheet? None existant, I can't see anything. It just says that Det is the best stat which is not. If you invest that much time to calc stats weights, you need to post to defend your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephier
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08-29-2014, 10:28 PMLethorian
There are reasons DET isn't best and SS is, job's DPS rely on certain things that set it aside from other DPS jobs. The reason SS is best for BLM is because the faster you get your fire Is out the faster youre going to get your free fire III proc (firestarter i believe it is called). Same theing goes for BRD, the more often your DoT ticks hit a crit the more often you're going to get a free bloodletter proc. For SMN and SCH the more often your pet crits the more often you get a 20% boost in SS. So there are little gimmicks to each job that pushes one of these attributes above DET. DET is generally the best secondary stat for an overall sustained damage/healing increase.
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08-29-2014, 11:50 PMHaroldSaxonIt doesn't work like that with bard. Skillspeed or spellspeed have no affect on how often a DoT ticks. Nor does it have any affect on your pet either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lethorian