about bahamut and coil

so in the intro bahamut breaks free (?) from dalamud and pew pew.

then some time in the future we see bahamut in the coil preserved.

how did that happen?

aren't the only ones who know how to do that are allagans and they're extinct or something?

This is the bazillion gil question. Based on what we do know, it could be inferred that he either expended all of his power on megaflare and what we saw of Bahamut was just an aetherial form - or - Loisoix may have bound him in the shattered remains of Dalamud after everyone seemingly disappeared. Either way, the Allagan tech is still working to keep Bahamut contained. To go into further depth than this would be uber spoilerific, but we could explain all that happens in the currently available parts of the Binding Coil storyline if you like.

And don't worry, Alisae is just as confused, if not more so, as you. Nothing about Bahamut's current dismembered state makes a whole lot of sense.

We don't know.

The fact the Warriors of Light visage are removed from everyone's memories may very well have something to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Chokee

so in the intro bahamut breaks free (?) from dalamud and pew pew.

then some time in the future we see bahamut in the coil preserved.

how did that happen?

aren't the only ones who know how to do that are allagans and they're extinct or something?

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This is why we brave the insanity known as Coil... other than dat loot.

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Originally Posted by MercuryD

This is why we brave the insanity known as Coil... other than dat loot.

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It is SO hard explaining this to friends. lol

Bear in mind that the Bahamut we see in Coil is actually being constructed by the wreckage of Dalamud. It's highly likely that it has rebuilt him from scratch - i.e. resummoned him into confinement. That was Dalamud's purpose after all. It's not the same physical manifestation of Bahamut that broke free at Cartenau.

The confusion arises with regards to his various body parts seen suspended in corrupted crystal as they do not appear to be directly linked to the newly generated Bahamut we see at the core. Quite what is going on there is still unexplained (though I believe the Tales from the Calamity has dropped a hint with regards to this). It's assumed that we'll get our answer at the end of the Third Binding Coil.

Of course I never really been to the coil yet, but based on whatever I could gather from forum posts, it doesn't make the slightest sense. If it is a prison, why can Bahamut send Nael and Louisouix to waltz around the place? Disassembled or not, he doesn't seem to be pacified at all. If he is hiding/recuperating, why is he in peaces?And why is he hiding in an Allagan construction. We know for a fact that Bahamut cannot control Allagan machinery. Otherwise he would have escaped Dalamud thousands of years earlier. So why aren't the machines and the tempered slaves fighting? Who created the simulation for Nael? Why is unlocking the prison of Bahamut a bad thing for him? (Louisouix wants to prevent it so we can assume that he doesn't want to escape just yet. But if he were to die, he could be summoned again.)

I smell Lahabrea here. I learned early on that if something doesn't make sense or is for no apparent reason, it is part of Lahabrea's grand plan.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

I smell Lahabrea here. I learned early on that if something doesn't make sense or is for no apparent reason, it is part of Lahabrea's grand plan.

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It' official Lahabrea is to blame for every inconsistency! Hildebrand surviving fatal incidents? Lahabrea. The inability to get more than one piece form Coil/CT per week? Lahabrea. Why Edda suddenly appeared after her death in Tam-Tara? Lahabrea! Illuminati? You bet it's Lahabrea! So the next time Fridge logic happens just assume it's Lahabrea and then spaz out as you shout his name
https://38.media.tumblr.com/6d28e717...6zqyo5_500.gif

In all seriousness, it does seem very likely that the Asceans would have a hand in this. Their plans did use the Primals as well as the Garlean Empire and I don't think they'd leave such a huge variable as Bahamut slide by unless they can manipulate it to their advantage

Well my theory based on lore:

Lore tells us from ST that the moon was sent up containing Bahamut as a power source for the Emporer to furl his dark power, but they couldn't control it leading to the destruction of the Allag Empire, Bahamut being held at a certain point of regen to be able to absorb aether which was then funelled down into the Crystal Tower.

As to my theory, Bahamut was never whole. What was seen over the flats was a form of Astral projection, which, given the power of Bahamutt, he was able to use his abilities through the projection. Kind of like how he does with Nael. Damage to Dalamuds systems where enough to allow Bahamut to start to regen fully from the coils feeding him aether, and as no Crystal Tower to syphon away the Aether he is using to regen....


The coils are syphoning the aether from the environment causing coruption to the local Aether, leaving residue behind. The corrupted Aether formations.

Funny thing at the end of 2nd coil, all three Coils are active, 2nd one gets deactivated, yet it still shows 2 of 3 coils active (2 beams shooting into Bahamuts regenning form after deactivate present) XD

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

I don't think they'd leave such a huge variable as Bahamut slide by unless they can manipulate it to their advantage

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And besides. We know that Lahabrea was there at Carteneau and was very glad to see Bahamut again. Odd that we never saw any Ascians in the coil. Yet.

Based on the fact that Lahabrea didn't try to murder us while he was stalking us during the story we can conclude that we had/have/will have a part to play in his plans. The same can be true for Hildrebrand and Edda.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Funny thing at the end of 2nd coil, all three Coils are active, 2nd one gets deactivated, yet it still shows 2 of 3 coils active

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I think this should be the case. If three coils are active and you deactivate the second, the other two remain active.

As for the disassembled Bahamut: Where were his parts when Dalamud burst open. He is as big as a city state. Someone would have noticed his head flying around.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

And besides. We know that Lahabrea was there at Carteneau and was very glad to see Bahamut again.

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I remember that cut scene, he was surprised and enthralled that he could witness Bahamut free. Not the reaction I'd see from someone who wanted to lock him right back up.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I remember that cut scene, he was surprised and enthralled that he could witness Bahamut free. Not the reaction I'd see from someone who wanted to lock him right back up.

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True. But if not Lahabrea, who else? And I'm sure a living, city sized Dragon causes a massive ammount of aetheric disruption(a result of most of Lahabrea's doings) and also distracts people from Zodiarc. Anyway this is not a fact, just my interpretation.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Based on the fact that Lahabrea didn't try to murder us while he was stalking us during the story we can conclude that we had/have/will have a part to play in his plans. The same can be true for Hildrebrand and Edda.

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In case you missed the Crockpot .gif above, the first part of my post was a joke. I really do not see Hildibrand being a factor in Lahabrea's machinations. Edda is possible but only if she can somehow make Avere's spirit a aetherial construct like Mog with her love alone

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Originally Posted by Balipu

I think this should be the case. If three coils are active and you deactivate the second, the other two remain active.

As for the disassembled Bahamut: Where were his parts when Dalamud burst open. He is as big as a city state. Someone would have noticed his head flying around.

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The first Coil was deactivated after clearing turn 5. Yet it shows it active in the end cutscene on turn 9 XD.

http://s1.postimg.org/8tf92yrbz/Scre...6_22_27_23.png
As you can see, 2 coils are active there, where there should only be 1, as we deactivated first after turn 5, 2nd after turn 9.

Maybe us deactivating the Coils is exactly what *they* (emphasis on the they as I don't really know who best to point fingers at right now XD) want us to do. As the Coils bind Bahamut, maybe we're releasing him, one Coil at a time. And maybe all of the bosses we're fighting are trying to prevent us from releasing him, not prevent us from stopping the resurrection process as we think they are now. Maybe we're the bad guys in all of this, and just don't know it yet :O

But when the other two Coils get deactivated won't that maybe release whatever regen form of Bahamut making him the true final boss of the Coil?

Actually, as you can see below, there were three active beams after the first BCoB, and if you look closely, you can see that there's one shut-off, which means there was 4 beams initially.

http://i.imgur.com/i0Hwqp6.png

Those 2 beams after 2nd coil has always made me think there would be 4 total coils and they are lying about TCoB being the last. In 2.5 we will get final 4th coil along with 3rd and final crystal tower to tie up the story neatly before the expansion in spring. My theory at least. Oh 2.5.8 will have "Eureka" from CT :cool:

...Couldn't it just mean that you shut them off on your way out?

Three on - you leave T5 and shut one off.
Two on - you leave T9 and shut one off.
One on - you leave T13 and THANK YOU, GOODNIGHT.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

...Couldn't it just mean that you shut them off on your way out?

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I was wondering this myself, though I'm not sure we know enough to actually know. It still begs the question though, what is that fourth inactive beam connected to?





... Rivenroad?

In first coil all that stuff moving around before it shows you bahamuts head is you turning the 4th beam off.. the inactive one, then you turn off one of the 3 remaining in 2nd coil, leaving you with two as shown in the screenshot, 4 coils.

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Originally Posted by Zemorous

4 coils.

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Could be. But, if so, someone should let the Scions know.

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Originally Posted by Alisae

Two more like fragments of Dalamud pierced the earth when the lesser moon fell. One we have seen. If we can but find the other two, I am certain that we will find Grandfather as well.

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Originally Posted by Urianger

Upon the evidence of thy previous foray, we determined that the elder primal is sustained by three such binding coils. Thus did we commence to scour the realm, and found in the Twelveswood an as-yet-unexplored fragment of the lesser moon bearing a most familiar aetheric signature...

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Originally Posted by Alisae

And after conducting a preliminary investigation, we believe we have discovered a point from which this North Shroud fragment─and the second of the internment hulks─can be entered.

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Originally Posted by Brine_Gildchaff

It still begs the question though, what is that fourth inactive beam connected to?

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No clue. Maybe we really did turn off one of four in Turn 5 and there's a "final battle" unconnected to the three coils.
Or maybe it's the hulk sticking out of Cartenau.
Dunno.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

...Couldn't it just mean that you shut them off on your way out?

Three on - you leave T5 and shut one off.
Two on - you leave T9 and shut one off.
One on - you leave T13 and THANK YOU, GOODNIGHT.

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That sounds like a good explanation. Unfortunately, you see Alisae disable one of the three beams at the end of the Second Coil.

My bets on boulder downs as well. The piece of dalamud u can see in mordhona is more like the trash we see in frontlines.

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Originally Posted by Zemorous

My bets on boulder downs as well.

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I'm throwing my vote in with the Burning Wall in Thanalan, for now. Something's up with Boulder Downs, but the first two were city-state regional and I'm betting the last is, too. Maybe the Boulder Downs somehow connects to the fourth hulk, lol.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s...urningWall.png