How to Incorporate Ingenuity?

Just got GSM 50 a few days ago, and I'm having trouble trying to fit ingenuity, as well as finding the best way to utiltize it.

I normally go for
IQ > WN II > SH II > Basic Touch x4 > SH II > Basic Touch x2-4 > Great Strides > Bygrot's > Basic/Careful syn to finish

Would it be wise to use it after the second SH, or maybe stack it with great strides?

It is good for 5 steps, so it totally depends on how many CS you need to do, but it is usually right before BB. In your example, before GS for sure, and possible 2 before of your 2-4 BTs.

Bleh, always get the two names confused. I meant Innovation, the one that boosts control.

That you want it at where you always include your BB, often it is just right before.

Innovation boosts your Control by 50% for three turns. So, the place to use it is where it's most important to have Control: Byregot's Blessing, as has been mentioned. So, modifying your formula above:

IQ > WN II > SH II > Basic Touch x4 > SH II > Basic Touch x2-4 > Great Strides > Innovation > Ingenuity II > Bygrot's > Basic/Careful syn to finish

I see thanks. And of course other factors like conditions would determine if I should do Bygrot's before or after ingenuity, since as far as I know, craft level doesn't affect quality increase?

Crafting level gives you additional skills which may help improve quality.

Mainly, either the Hasty Touch route, or the basic touch route. Google them and see how other people uses them. At lower level skills, one tend to be stuck with HT since that is what you have available.

I put innovation after ingenuity, right before byregot's. I'm basically fishing for one more chance at a good/excellent proc. If I get good or excellent, I fire off byregot's and don't bother with innovation. Why? Thing is innovation is not that big of a boost. It boosts 50% of your base control stat, but does not multiply the effect of inner quiet. So for example, if you have 100 base control and fill up 10 stacks of IQ, your control will be up to 300. Innovation will give you 50 more. (If you don't believe me, you can pull up your character screen while crafting to see your control stat go up.) Innovation is nice, but it's effect is modest, and nowhere near what a good condition gives you (1.5x your final quality, stacks with everything).

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I see. Thanks for all the inputs. Just need a little bit more to be able to reliably HQ with little to no HQ mats on 1*

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Innovation boosts your Control by 50% for three turns. So, the place to use it is where it's most important to have Control: Byregot's Blessing, as has been mentioned. So, modifying your formula above:

IQ > WN II > SH II > Basic Touch x4 > SH II > Basic Touch x2-4 > Great Strides > Innovation > Ingenuity II > Bygrot's > Basic/Careful syn to finish

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The end of my rotation is always:
SH2 > Ing2 > Innovation > Any touch skill I have extra CP for, Hasty Touch if none > Great Strides > Byregot's Blessing > Careful Synth 2 to finish. Gets you one extra touch with a huge boost from Ing2 and Innovation.

I see, and one more question. Ideally how much CP should I be sitting on for 2/3*s? I haven't melded my equips yet, but I plan to in order to meet the stat requirements for tomato relish and eventually the supra materials.

I don't have all the demimateria accessories yet, but I'm sitting at around 319 CP without food.

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Originally Posted by TheCurls

The end of my rotation is always:
SH2 > Ing2 > Innovation > Any touch skill I have extra CP for, Hasty Touch if none > Great Strides > Byregot's Blessing > Careful Synth 2 to finish. Gets you one extra touch with a huge boost from Ing2 and Innovation.

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I'm gonna have to try that. It gives less of a chance to get a good condition on byregot's than my approach, but will consistently give a slightly higher output (those last few points at the end can really be make or break). Thanks.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

I see, and one more question. Ideally how much CP should I be sitting on for 2/3*s? I haven't melded my equips yet, but I plan to in order to meet the stat requirements for tomato relish and eventually the supra materials.

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You should be fully melded for 345 CP even before you start to thinking about those 2-3 star crafts.

Check the forum, most, if not all, of the rotations that gives you 100% HQ WANTs every drop of CP you can grind out of your meld. It is very common for those rotations to demand 380+ CP. This is especially true when you do not have the craft/control to help you along.

One question... sorry for being a noob question, I'm still leveling my DoH Classes (I have lvl 50 CRP, others tho are in the 20~30 range). But I've seen lots of people talking about using Basic Synthesis... But by looking at Careful Synthesis II, I'd say Basic Synthesis is pretty much retired for good once you get it?

Is there a reason to keep using Basic Synthesis once you get Careful Synthesis II?

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Originally Posted by AlexionSkylark

Is there a reason to keep using Basic Synthesis once you get Careful Synthesis II?

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The only reason I can think of is that there's certain Ixali Beast Tribe quests that require crafting but restrict you from using cross-class abilities. That is the ONLY reason you'd ever want to use Basic Synthesis after getting CSII, imo.