[dev1005] Loot drops within a party

The current system where loot drops into a random players list is absurd. The rest of the party can't see the drops to even know if they want them. They are forced to go to the web and look the item up on a fansite such as ffxiv pro. Then if a player decides they wish to take the drop the exchange has to occur in CLOSE proximity or the item pass from 1 loot list to another fails. We have no way to do a /random so I as a linkshell leader am forced to flip a coin in real life to handle disputes. All of this has to happen on the fly while in the heat of battle.

[dev1005] - the log needs to be much more visible for all members of the party to see what dropped.

Simple short term QUICK FIX are to make the color of loot drops in the log much more visible. To have loot drops displayed to ALL party members regardless of proximity to the chest/mob/kill/player. Implement a /random dice roll feature.

Long term fix: create a single Community loot pool for all (rare/ex/non-tradable) gear drops, players can all view the items in this list. Allow each member of the party to /roll on loot in this central loot list. Allow the leader to set a quartermaster option to auto distribute loot.

non "junk" loot should fall into a community loot pool. Where people can examine, and lot for those items.

3 minutes to distribute batraal winnings is also not enough time

the current system random rolls everyone for you
its then up to you to decide if you wanna give it to someone else

sounds about right to me

people who are serious about gear and time restraints on handing it out should plan ahead for it so it doesnt drop to a player while you bicker about who gets what when it drops

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

the current system random rolls everyone for you
its then up to you to decide if you wanna give it to someone else

sounds about right to me

people who are serious about gear and time restraints on handing it out should plan ahead for it so it doesnt drop to a player while you bicker about who gets what when it drops

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The problem is what if you don't see it drop right away, what if the person who gets the drop DC's, what if the person who gets the drop is an outsider/pickup player in a group run, what if the person who gets the drop gets a phone call and is AFK for a minute or so? What if the person who god forbid wants the drop gets seperated from the party and is unable to get close enough to Lootlist > give to player XYZ.

Also how as a linkshell leader do you keep players motivated in the long run to attend all events if they know damn well they have zero chance at getting anything? You suggest you know ahead of time who is going to get what.

EX: its 3am for a player who wants to go to bed, the group decides to do 1 more run. Ok lets all decide who gets the shiny new body armor from ogre before we enter cus there is not enough time to do this in game. This player then decides to go to bed rather then run the dungeon since you have to decide ahead of time, how on earth can you possibly defend the POS looting system we have now.

Just the addition of a /random text command would solve 90% of my problem right now.

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Originally Posted by tachikoma

The problem is what if you don't see it drop right away, what if the person who gets the drop DC's, what if the person who gets the drop is an outsider/pickup player in a group run, what if the person who gets the drop gets a phone call and is AFK for a minute or so? What if the person who god forbid wants the drop gets seperated from the party and is unable to get close enough to Lootlist > give to player XYZ.

Also how as a linkshell leader do you keep players motivated in the long run to attend all events if they know damn well they have zero chance at getting anything? You suggest you know ahead of time who is going to get what.

EX: its 3am for a player who wants to go to bed, the group decides to do 1 more run. Ok lets all decide who gets the shiny new body armor from ogre before we enter cus there is not enough time to do this in game. This player then decides to go to bed rather then run the dungeon since you have to decide ahead of time, how on earth can you possibly defend the POS looting system we have now.

Just the addition of a /random text command would solve 90% of my problem right now.

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alot of those what ifs are extremely dumb(if you know loots gonna drop to you possibly and you may have to hand it off, you shouldnt be going afk)
and disconects can happen to a whole group too, what if
what if
what if
what if

in all seriousness.....the rare and occasional lost loot due to a dumb what if will happen regardless of the loot system

not filtering it in your chat makes sure you know who gets what(alot of problems solved there)
and from there, whoever is in charge should make sure they know what to do ahead of time from there

The real problem is that Ive yet to get anything.

Fix it so that Grim Lion of Melmond actually gets an item he can use. Ive gone on about 30-40 runs, 5-10 of which have been to Batraal, and only once have I got an item and it was the damn mages shirt I gave to someone else.

Then there is other people who are working on acquiring their 4-5th item.

It makes me want to puke thinking about the time Ive spent in there with absolutely nothing to show for my troubles but repair costs and lost days to grinding a dungeon that doesnt drop enough loot when I could have been working on my other classes.

In all seriousness though, increase the % for items drops a little more maybe? MRD's are having a very tough time actually being useful in this raid, and not allowing them to progress by not getting gear is only working against me more here.

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Originally Posted by Grim_Lion

The real problem is that Ive yet to get anything.

Fix it so that Grim Lion of Melmond actually gets an item he can use. Ive gone on about 30-40 runs, 5-10 of which have been to Batraal, and only once have I got an item and it was the damn mages shirt I gave to someone else.

Then there is other people who are working on acquiring their 4-5th item.

It makes me want to puke thinking about the time Ive spent in there with absolutely nothing to show for my troubles.

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thats a personal problem lol, but yeah, that happens
its why you need a shell for it

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

thats a personal problem lol, but yeah, that happens
its why you need a shell for it

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I do. Its nothing to do with the L.S. Its the system.

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Originally Posted by Grim_Lion

I do. I guess since I play MRD though, no one cares about me. Its the mentallity that you gear up archers first thats working against me too.

Sure there has been gear drop that others couldnt use, but of course that gear doesnt go to a MRD first, of course you gear up the already overpowered archer class.

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im so glad my shell isnt like that

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

im so glad my shell isnt like that

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Its not their fault though.

Its S.E. for creating the system as it is.

Archers can do everything any other class can do. From Range. AoE. Wear the same gear as anyone else. Do more damage. Take less healing in raids. They can do everything but main tank and heal.

There is no reason to bring PUG's or MRD's if you dont have too. If I had a Archer, Id never touch the MRD again.

They do need to change the system, its absolute wank and cant believe its lasted this long. Its one thing that keeps me from playing.

My main concern is when people are AFK because people do it, and they get rare/ex crap. Or people just steal loot.

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Originally Posted by Grim_Lion

Its not their fault though.

Its S.E. for creating the system as it is.

Archers can do everything any other class can do. From Range. AoE. Wear the same gear as anyone else. Do more damage. Take less healing in raids. They can do everything but main tank and heal.

There is no reason to bring PUG's or MRD's if you dont have too.

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what your describing is called elitism

if your shell cares about its members, and not just winning, itl take whoever wants to go, not just the best possible setup each time
and itl gear everyone

sounds like you got elitist pricks your rolling with

YAY GO GRIM! ^^ HEY YOU, we are not "Elitist pricks".

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Originally Posted by Rick_James

YAY GO GRIM! ^^ HEY YOU, we are not "Elitist pricks".

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not gearing someone up cuz hes not an archer sounds elitist to me :P

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

what your describing is called elitism

if your shell cares about its members, and not just winning, itl take whoever wants to go, not just the best possible setup each time
and itl gear everyone

sounds like you got elitist pricks your rolling with

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Its got nothing to do with this.

After you have spent 10hour in a raid. your going to do all you can to put the best options in the raid to progress.

I have never had a problem getting invites. Its not a LS memeber thing. Its that after 10hrs even I'am asking if I could sit out to allow this content to progress.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

not gearing someone up cuz hes not an archer sounds elitist to me :P

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We actually don't do that... in those 30-40 runs that Grim was talking about, we got a couple of boot drops and 2 chest peice drops that maybe would be useful to him. So they happen to random loot to an archer and he takes them for himself becuase he can use them. If that makes us Elitist Pricks, then great we are Elitist pricks.

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Originally Posted by Rick_James

YAY GO GRIM! ^^ HEY YOU, we are not "Elitist pricks".

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Wow, this blew up in my face didnt it.

Fuck me, I'll just keep my comments to myself cause the internet just takes things out of context.

Just to be plain and simple: These guys (Squaresoft) have been no problem. I have issue with the looting system as provided by S.E. and the lack of gear options provided by S.E.

If I had a Archer to play, I myself would have already made the switch. Had I known that Archer would backically be cheating in S.E. raids, I would have leveled archer first. This has nothing to do with my LS mates, so please stop taking that out of context.

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Originally Posted by Grim_Lion

Wow, this blew up in my face didnt it.

Fuck me, I'll just keep my comments to myself cause the internet just takes things out of context.

Just to be plain and simple: These guys (Squaresoft) have been no problem. I have issue with the looting system as provided by S.E. and the lack of gear options provided by S.E.

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just be glad this isnt another game
where youd be locked out of the dungeon for a week before you had anothe attempt


seriously, just think about that

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

not gearing someone up cuz hes not an archer sounds elitist to me :P

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Again, its not "them not gearing me up". Its S.E. lack of gear options (archers, mrd, gld, pug, lnc all using the same gear) and pre looting random rolls that a lot of people are not in favor of for other reasons too. ie: AFK people, Lack of being able to see the item, etc.

There is also no /roll or /random in game to give the loot a second round of offers. The decision needs to be made fast, ususally on the run due to the raid format/strat.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

what your describing is called elitism

if your shell cares about its members, and not just winning, itl take whoever wants to go, not just the best possible setup each time
and itl gear everyone

sounds like you got elitist pricks your rolling with

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I can see both sides here. One side just wants to make future runs better, other side is that it's elitism.

But I'm still going to side with TheVedis. Doesn't matter if the game is this way, catering mostly to just archers is elitism. It's the easiest way to kill things... so what. People should play the game the way they want, and a good group would be ok with that. Everyone equal.

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Originally Posted by Grim_Lion

Again, its not "them not gearing me up". Its S.E. lack of gear options (archers, mrd, gld, pug, lnc all using the same gear) and pre looting random rolls that a lot of people are not in favor of for other reasons too. ie: AFK people, Lack of being able to see the item, etc.

There is also no /roll or /random in game to give the loot a second round of offers. The decision needs to be made fast, ususally on the run due to the raid format/strat.

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TROLLLLLL SOME MO GRIM TROLLLL SOME MO.

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Originally Posted by Grim_Lion

Again, its not "them not gearing me up". Its S.E. lack of gear options (archers, mrd, gld, pug, lnc all using the same gear) and pre looting random rolls that a lot of people are not in favor of for other reasons too. ie: AFK people, Lack of being able to see the item, etc.

There is also no /roll or /random in game to give the loot a second round of offers. The decision needs to be made fast, ususally on the run due to the raid format/strat.

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Still, you're blaming the game for the choices people are making.

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Originally Posted by BeePee

Still, you're blaming the game for the choices people are making.

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No. Im asking for an improved loot system, with more functionality, better visability, more controls and options for different loot systems.

I guess I should have just said that in the first place.

But like Rick says, its Friday of a long weekend, stuck at work and apparently my inner troll has come alive.

I think the problem is that it auto-loots for everyone. However, it would be better if there were a system in place that allows you to see the item and decide from there if you want to try and roll for it. 1v1 or even 1v3 on rolling gives you better odds than 1v7.

Say you decide to go on a run with a pick-up group, there's one other MRD but he's with a couple of his LS members in the group. The loot that you and the other MRD want drops to one of his LS-mates, so naturally they decide to give it to him. The current system gives people a chance to play favorites, which is the problem. Again, yes, the way people abuse the system isn't fair. However, the problem is that the system CAN be abused in that way and it needs to be fixed and implemented in a better way to prevent further abuse.

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Originally Posted by Kailok

I think the problem is that it auto-loots for everyone. However, it would be better if there were a system in place that allows you to see the item and decide from there if you want to try and roll for it. 1v1 or even 1v3 on rolling gives you better odds than 1v7.

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I think you basically said what Im trying to get across, in much better and clear fashion. Thankyou. Ive got the fridays.

i hope to get the old lot/treasur list the one in ff11
i think it was perfect/fair enough

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Originally Posted by Grim_Lion

I think you basically said what Im trying to get across, in much better and clear fashion. Thankyou. Ive got the fridays.

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Not a problem, the Fridays get us all. :P

This has been brought up in several threads, and responded to by several different reps as well.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Hey guys! The dev. team let us know that they are working on a method to allow players to rejoin their instance raid party after being disconnected, and that this should be implemented by patch 1.19! Hurray!

In regards to the loot system, we are working on implementing a system similar to other MMOs in the future. I also did some digging and saw that we responded twice to this question! Here they are so that you won’t have to dig as far back as I did. See, I’m nice too! :3

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Completely agree

I made this thread last 2 days ago not last night jin look at the time stamp