Run about 3 FL fights now and it's proven to be pretty annoying. Especially with more then 1 monk/paladin on a team. Even with protect/stoneskin as buffers i basically couldn't use aetherflow until i needed to spam lustrate and usually even then as soon as i used it, it was getting knocked off.
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08-20-2014, 12:28 AMjlewissNow that we've had some time to test the changes how do we feel about Aetherflow?
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08-20-2014, 12:46 AMKoltikIs that a bad thing? In most cases that's what Lustrate was used for - to spam back to back to back. This just discourages SCH's from using it as soon as it's ready and then having 6 potential stacks ready when that burst comes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlewiss
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08-20-2014, 12:54 AMGorgetting 1, maybe 2, lustrates off (provided there are no healing debuffs on you) and having Aetherflow possibly on cd for up to 60 seconds while multiple enemy players that include any PLD/MNKs yes, that could be a bad thing. because having to stop to get a cast off, only to get stunned or getting interrupted and having to rely on Eos heals, if she is even around, yes, that can be really bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koltik
I'll still give it a try to see if its as bad as the guy said it is, but yes i can think of several scenarios where that could be bad. -
08-20-2014, 01:13 AMAmyNeudaiz
I feel that people are turning this into a hyperbole argument. It's not that bad Sch has many tools, only one got nerfed.
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08-20-2014, 01:22 AMjlewissWell this might be one of those things you have to get used to but the basic scenario has been. Have aetherflow stacks->get one lim punched->getting attacked by 4 people->aetherflow->lus...one lim punched->dieQuote:
Originally Posted by Koltik
again it might just take some getting used to but as of right now i found it nearly impossible to effectively use lustrate or sacred soil on either myself or another party member. this isn't as if it's just luck that the monks noticed me, i'm already targeted therefor they can see when i have aetherflow stacks and can just knock them off. it really feels discouraging at this point that one of the basic mechanics of arcanist is being undermined forcing an already difficult to master pvp class that much more challenging. it's kind of like when they say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger but how much stronger do you really need to be? -
08-20-2014, 01:34 AMGormany tools such as? if course those "many tools" may work fine when only dealing with 1-2 other players or in a free-casting situation, but how much access do SCHs have to those said "many tools" you speak of when getting jumped by 3-5+ player situations?Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
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08-20-2014, 01:44 AMGorwell ... i mean if you have no Aetherflow stacks then you just have no Aetherflow stacks lol, its not like irl where there are actually open choices where you can make your own rules. Now we're nerfed down to relying on casts as counting on a lustrate isn't always reliableQuote:
Originally Posted by jlewiss
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08-20-2014, 02:01 AMKoltik
So far the common complaint is you have a ton of people attacking you and you die. This is what should happen. If you have other competent healers with you then you should be just fine. If you don't, you die. That's how the game works.
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08-20-2014, 02:08 AMDivinemightWhere are your tanks? Paladin can stun and Warrior (Maruader) can Holmgang and stun. Are they too busy in killing and forgot about their role?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlewiss
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08-20-2014, 02:21 AMRavenGreyAssuming no support, this is where you should be dying. The answer is not for you to have the ability to solo survive packs of players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gor
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08-20-2014, 02:27 AMUltimatecaliburTanks are even better when they remember they can both say "Get away from him/her/zer!" with Glory Slash and Mythril Tempest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
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08-20-2014, 03:49 PMPanteleonEhh... as SMN, you'll never win a fight, ever, with just your DoT's. You were never meant to.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
I welcome you to try. It's a miracle if you can kill somebody without Aetherflow. (In your next PvP game, just don't use a single Fester, Bane, Energy Drain, or Enkindle; see how far you get.) I'm even assuming you're not already getting attacked, as tends to happen in PvP (see: euphemism, not hyperbole), by the person you're trying to kill. Now you're asking somebody to win that way... while even their DoT placement is getting interrupted... (the DoT placement that we already said can't win for you unless you can get to the Aetherflow abilities that follow them)... and now you've stripped them of even a class defining ability.
I don't think it's hyperbole.
I even think it might be considered somewhat un-fun to strip a class of a defining feature of its play. We're not dropping BLM's Astral Fire/Umbral Ice are we? Can we dispel a Monk's form? -
08-20-2014, 06:18 PMUtsuFive. Aetherflow + the four spells usable with a stack.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
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08-20-2014, 07:17 PMAmyNeudaizLol. You should die vs 5 peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Gor
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08-21-2014, 12:50 AMSygmaelle
Didn't change a lot of stuff for me, im just usin blizzard 2 / protect more often, just annoying when surecast isnt up.
Its like, swiftcast stoneskin, Rouse + whisperin dawn when im charged, surecast blizzard 2, kite a bit, wait until 50% of my hp gone before usin aetherflow for one lustrate, equanimity, adloquium, blizzard 2, knockback, sprint, wait for surecast to be up so I can use leeches for the upcoming heavy to be applied by the annoying melee, yadda yadda ...
If anything it made me charge the paladins in the very first place to root them with Blizzard 2 and then knockback them + re applyin blizzard 2 if they used purify. STAY AWAY FROM MEH.