I don't understand how to spiritbond and get tier IV materia anymore.

I think I lost what just happened and need some advice or explanation. I read where they said ilvl 70 gear would be adjusted when converting to Tier IV mats.

What does this mean when trying to get a tier iv materia?

Will ilvl90 gear be 100%? As far as I know ilvl70 and ilvl90 gear was the only 2 kinds you could craft, spiritbond, and then get a tier iv materia from. With everyone working on novus and tier 4 mats already high for some of them, How do we go about getting our tier iv mats efficiently without wasting a bunch of time?

I think I feel little lost on what path to take now. Can someone please help me out?

You can get tier IV from level 45-49 gear but it's a lower chance.

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Originally Posted by WHS

I think I lost what just happened and need some advice or explanation. I read where they said ilvl 70 gear would be adjusted when converting to Tier IV mats.

What does this mean when trying to get a tier iv materia?

Will ilvl90 gear be 100%? As far as I know ilvl70 and ilvl90 gear was the only 2 kinds you could craft, spiritbond, and then get a tier iv materia from. With everyone working on novus and tier 4 mats already high for some of them, How do we go about getting our tier iv mats efficiently without wasting a bunch of time?

I think I feel little lost on what path to take now. Can someone please help me out?

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i70 and i90 gear previously could grant tier IV materia as well as i45~ and above (i know i have gotten tier IV from i48 gear.)

The change that they are implementing is, when you convert i70 into materia in relation to converting i90, the i90 gear now has a higher rate at which you can obtain tier IV materia.

Since no one is able to test the new information we dont know the % at which you can obtain tier IV from i90. (Because the servers are still down currently.)

The wording states specifically, that the higher the ilvl the greater chance at which you can obtain tier IV.

Hello skyrocketing materia prices....

Really not looking forward to these materia changes. Expensive enough already...

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

i70 and i90 gear previously could grant tier IV materia as well as i45~ and above (i know i have gotten tier IV from i48 gear.)

The change that they are implementing is, when you convert i70 into materia in relation to converting i90, the i90 gear now has a higher rate at which you can obtain tier IV materia.

Since no one is able to test the new information we dont know the % at which you can obtain tier IV from i90.

The wording states specifically, that the higher the ilvl the greater chance at which you can obtain tier IV.

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I am confused with what the patch notes meant here. I am pretty sure part of it meant that IL45-IL69 gears will have lesser chance to convert to Tier IV materia, in conjunction to the revised SB rate/rules to prevent people from wearing IL45-55 gears into ST and dungeons to SB as it caused quite some QQ and complaints in forums.

But the notes seems to also hint that IL70 will no longer give a 100% Tier IV conversion rate, and probably only IL90 guarantees Tier IV.

This would have a hit on the supply of Tier IV materia and cause it likely to rocket even higher.

If true, it might also hint that there might not be Tier V materia in Patch 2.4 (since IL70 guarantees Tier IV, I was expecting IL90 to guarantee Tier V), or IL90 doesn't give 100% Tier V for the new IL110 crafted gears and cause creating and pentamelding IL110 gears extremely expensive than ever.

Not sure if I understand the patch notes right. I thought when you trash Level 70 items into Materia, you will get a Materia IV for granted (never did it by myself so it is only an assumption). So what is the change? Everything below Level 70 has a lesser chance to turn into a Materia IV now?

As is typical of the first revision of 2.xx patch notes, it's likely a clerical error and they meant i70 or below gear. i70 has always yielded a tier IV materia, with i45 to i69 items yielding a tier III, plus a flat 10% chance to yield a tier IV. What's likely meant by the patch notes in practice is that spiritbinding i55 items such as Imperial Operative Wristlets will have a higher conversion chance to tier IV than, say, a Rubellite choker.

That would make sense, just can't read it in the Patch notes. But the German version of it is often misleading. Sad I can't speak Japanese since I have the feeling the original text is always easier to understand than the translated one lol.

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Originally Posted by ess-vid

As is typical of the first revision of 2.xx patch notes, it's likely a clerical error and they meant i70 or below gear. i70 has always yielded a tier IV materia, with i45 to i69 items yielding a tier III, plus a flat 10% chance to yield a tier IV. What's likely meant by the patch notes in practice is that spiritbinding i55 items such as Imperial Operative Wristlets will have a higher conversion chance to tier IV than, say, a Rubellite choker.

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Checking english, german and japanese patch notes it's definitely i70 and higher that is changed.
That means i70 no longer guarantees Tier4.

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

That would make sense, just can't read it in the Patch notes. But the German version of it is often misleading. Sad I can't speak Japanese since I have the feeling the original text is always easier to understand than the translated one lol.

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I have read the Japanese patch notes (I always check it when in doubt) - unfortunately it says IL70 and above, not below.

Think this is not really true. Regardless ilevel, it's still level 50 gears/weapons in the end. Chances of tier IV are still low.

Oh... and besides, DoH/DoL don't have ilevel 70+ that's convertible.

If the patch notes are accurate (don't discount the JP version having the clerical error, as the other versions are likely built off of them via translation), they're likely to catch all kinds of hell, given that the reality simply means that they nerfed the conversion of i70 gear to possibly give tier IIIs, and the only way to assure a tier IV is via (expensive to buy and painful to craft) i90 equipment. Combined with the spiritbond nerf, the price of tier IV will basically skyrocket.

The playerbase is not going to be amused when a 50% chance Savage Might IV meld to finish a novus costs two million gil or more for each attempt.

in the end, making level 45+ accessories/belt are still better overal and fast spiritbonding too, especially with HQ. I never bothered inserting materias for spiritbonding.

Let me hope for a few seconds that the ilvl 90 will give more than 1 materia IV... :)

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Originally Posted by Gaddes

Hello skyrocketing materia prices....

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Like we needed that... Good thing I finished my Novus already.

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Originally Posted by Kaelah

Really not looking forward to these materia changes. Expensive enough already...

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Quite... If I was looking to make changes to spiritbonding, a way to make IV materia more expensive wouldn't be the first thing I'd consider.

I'm not thrilled with either of the changed in that area - one seems like an overreaction to a few players who were taking things too far, and this is an unwanted effort to push people to craft even more expensive gear to try to get rank IV materia.

What we have now already the easier version compared to what we deal with 1.0. Harder to HQ, spiritbonding takes around twice as much as the effort we did in ARR.

In the end, we all do wish lady luck favors ours over RNGs. lol

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

What we have now already the easier version compared to what we deal with 1.0. Harder to HQ, spiritbonding takes around twice as much as the effort we did in ARR.

In the end, we all do wish lady luck favors ours over RNGs. lol

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That's not exactly a ringing endorsement. >_>

Not really.. wolf room in 1.0 was vastly superior

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

What we have now already the easier version compared to what we deal with 1.0. Harder to HQ, spiritbonding takes around twice as much as the effort we did in ARR.

In the end, we all do wish lady luck favors ours over RNGs. lol

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May the odds be ever in your favor.

TY so much for your responses. I feels good to not be alone in the situation. I wish you guys well and fear the worst is upon us if the info is true. WE now have very little chance of getting a Tier IV materia which will only make matters worse for Novus and the crafting/gathering melds too. I truly hope that it's not just 10% chance but something much higher.

I'm pretty sure all materia moguls greasing their palms and laughing maniacally in the background atm

I only need 3 more IV Savage Might's to cap my det on my Thyrus scroll but with this update, I think I'll just focus on putting the rest into crit for my WHM - at least that way it'll be a hell of a lot cheaper, considering I'll only be going into III for that, considering yesterday SM IV was 550k'ish and at the weekend just gone 800k...

I'm concerned too. I hope there's something to it that I'm just not seeing yet.

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Originally Posted by Empressia

I'm pretty sure all materia moguls greasing their palms and laughing maniacally in the background atm

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They may actually not be too pleased over the whole "takes longer" and "can't go in those dungeons" things too.

The new fastest way to get a tier 4: levelling a new character thru storyline.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

The new fastest way to get a tier 4: levelling a new character thru storyline.

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That's what bots have been doing for the last few months. I think I might start botting characters to 50 for the quest rewards too, thanks SE for inspiring me

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

That's what bots have been doing for the last few months. I think I might start botting characters to 50 for the quest rewards too, thanks SE for inspiring me

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Your not the only one. I was actually considering if I can be bothered creating/levelling a new character for the materia rewards in questline lol. Mind you, this could all be an over-reaction and things might work out fine xD

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Originally Posted by Divine_Intervention

Your not the only one. I was actually considering if I can be bothered creating/levelling a new character for the materia rewards in questline lol. Mind you, this could all be an over-reaction and things might work out fine xD

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Well before the patch on my server you could make about 1.3 mil gil from the quest materias, takes about a week to do it

They didn't say 45/49 gear won't drop tier IV or conversion rate reduced.

And (at least in french patch notes) they say if you are in the appropriate level (instance/mobs) for your gear the spiritbonding will be faster.

In the english patch notes it is in the example.

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The rate at which gear gains spiritbond will now be reduced when gear is not the appropriate level for a given duty or open-world encounter. Furthermore, if the item level of gear is too high or too low, it will no longer gain spiritbond.

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French (blue zone is "On the other hand, the spiritbond (of the gear) that matches the surrounding level (area/content) will be easier"):

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Les équipements dont le niveau d’objet est très éloigné de celui de l’instance ou des monstres de la zone ouverte voient leur taux de symbiose monter plus difficilement. Inversement, la symbiose de ceux qui correspondent au niveau environnant se fera plus facilement.
À partir d’un certain écart de niveau, le taux de symbiose des équipements n’augmente plus.

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As I see it, if conversion rate the same, you spiritbond faster anyways :)

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

May the odds be ever in your favor.

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Thank you. And may it grant yours too. :D

Can we still get tier iv materia from ilvl45 to 55 gear now? Or has it been restricted to a chance from ilvl 70 and above? What was the % chance to get t4 mat before the patch on 45 to 55 gear? was getting a tier 4 mat from 45 and 55 gear the same percent or 55 better chances?

You weren't supposed to be SBing in dungeons before anyway. Bring your best gear or don't show up.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

You weren't supposed to be SBing in dungeons before anyway. Bring your best gear or don't show up.

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Explain please how this is possibly true when i70 gear cannot be spiritbonded in open-world content.

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Originally Posted by WHS

Can we still get tier iv materia from ilvl45 to 55 gear now? Or has it been restricted to a chance from ilvl 70 and above? What was the % chance to get t4 mat before the patch on 45 to 55 gear? was getting a tier 4 mat from 45 and 55 gear the same percent or 55 better chances?

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I'm don't think the percentages changed as the patch notes only started it was a change to i70 items. Yes, i45-55 items still drop Tier IV. I sb'd around 10 items and got a Vit IV, a Might IV, and an Eye IV. What is noticeably different and more than likely key to understanding this change is that the rate around appropriate mobs has been increased. I was in Urth's for a little under 40-50mins w/ only +1-+5 sb and I finished the equivalent of 2 i45-49 sets. That is crazy compared to post patch.

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Originally Posted by Brine_Gildchaff

Explain please how this is possibly true when i70 gear cannot be spiritbonded in open-world content.

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Simple, you don't. Not without pissing off the community anyway.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Simple, you don't. Not without pissing off the community anyway.

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In other words it's not actually true that it is not intended for players to spiritbind in dungeons. Thank you for being honest.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Simple, you don't. Not without pissing off the community anyway.

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You have only dungeon to get i70 sb so i it is normal to do it, because the lowest stuff give only III (okay you have 0.0001% to get a IV) but after you need the good one so 1 chance on 200 ? ... The game want you to spiritbond the 70 gear because of all IV needed in zodiak quest. As well the dungeon restriction is 70, if you have the gear you are okay for the game, nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Brine_Gildchaff

In other words it's not actually true that it is not intended for players to spiritbind in dungeons. Thank you for being honest.

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Doesn't make it untrue, just means the rule comes from the community and not the devs. If you go in anything besides your best, you're slowing down everyone's runs for tomestones and gear for your own selfish needs, and the community will lynch you for that. Stick to ilvl 49 in Urth's.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Simple, you don't. Not without pissing off the community anyway.

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Coming from somebody in myth gear who hasn't started second coil and just finished the first one? LOL. I'd out DPS you in full crafted accs any day