Harassment in Copperbell Mines

Normally I wouldn't put names up here, but this player seriously knows better. **** from Odin queued up his level 15 Gladiator class for Copperbell mines, but distinctly left on his gathering gear. If you click on the link quickly enough you'll see what he's wearing, but what's damning is the fact that he has a lv50 WHM and that all of his gatherer classes are well above the gathering gear he has on. This, coupled with the fact he has 5 DoH classes to 50 (including Armorer) makes me believe that this player is intentionally trying to cause his parties to fail.

Secondly, this player's behavior upon anyone commenting about his gear is immediately apprehensive to the point where he will intentionally "pull" a mob and only use auto-attack. The healer, seeing his rapidly degenerating health immediately tries to save him, only to grab aggro from everything as a result. His first response in my group with him was to berate both dps and heals for "not doing their jobs."

It's my hope that these players will have actions leveraged against them in order to preserve the experience of people who are new to FF XIV: ARR.

For the sake of preserving what he had on:

Ash Macuahuitl
Stablehand's Hat
Hempen Robe
Hempen Bracers
Leather Survival Belt
Hempen Kecks
Leather Shoes
Copper Earrings
Bone Armillae
Copper Ring
Ring of Fortitude

Doesn't matter if you normally would or not, posting their names here is naming and shaming and is not allowed. It can lead to you getting punished. So i'd advise you to remove it, and just report them in game.

It was my hope that actions leveraged against him would have permanence, and while I only revealed the player's character name, I still had it removed with your advice.

Not sure if these are the most up to date rules for the forum though since none of the Forum Rules posts in the actual Lodestone forums directs you to these rules:

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...la=1&tag=forum

who cares about whatever he is wearing in a lvl 15 instance? you could do this naked and it would be still easy

the only insult against something here is you posting, lol

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Originally Posted by LegionFX

So... If I read this correctly you reported him for being a bad player in this case a bad tank and using bad gear?!!! Also you don't like the fact that he as all doh classes at level 50. Do you need medical assistance?

Have you tried calling the cops? That is almost compared to murdering someone.

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How to tackle this situation in any kind of dungeon.
If tank goes awol:
-you keep calm and carry on
( tank as whm, tank as a dps etc)
-vote kick him and hope for a replacement
-as long as you have suitable gear to the dungeon's ilvl, u can slowly 3 man it. 1 mob at a time*
I had tanks pull this bs on me before in post 50 dungeons and all i say is fk u i don't need u. Then i grab the 2 dps and we carry on as i play a tank whm with 6.4-6.7k hp with food*.
^^ its how u look at it.

You should report them. That person was intentionally harrassing the group by their behavoir. I would hate to think of new players being stuck with someone like that. For some people this game is their first look into an MMO. They don't need it ruined by an a$$hat like that.

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Originally Posted by LegionFX

So... If I read this correctly you reported him for being a bad player in this case a bad tank and using bad gear?!!! Also you don't like the fact that he as all doh classes at level 50. Do you need medical assistance?

Have you tried calling the cops? That is almost compared to murdering someone.

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You missed the point entirely. It's not that he was wearing terrible gear. It's that he was doing it on purpose with the intent for harassment. And that should be easy enough to prove. Hell, just the disparaging remarks alone ought to be enough for discipline.

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Originally Posted by LegionFX

Sorry but you cannot know that as on purpose or not. Bad players are everywhere. Some bad then others. others should never play a video game. So unless that guy says "its on purpose" you cannot ever prove that. And so i did not missed the point. In the end we was reported for bad gear and bad play style. And thats is just... Like Yumi_umi said, why not just kick him or something. Or leave. Now a tank at lv 15 gets reported cause it does not know how to play. Give me a break

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yes you can know if it was intentional. the way that op did. see what classes they have leveled up. see how the person in question plays. pulling a mob and then only auto-attacking is pretty intentional.

I had that happen to me with a troll of a tank when I was healing except the gear side he would not gain eminity for one reason or another so one cure cast and I had all the other mobs on me. Asked if he could at flash a pull and he told me I just sucked at healing and within seconds a dps had issued a vk and we had him gone was pretty cake tanking as the healer just not as efficient. Most of your really low dungeons hardly require an actual tank.

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Originally Posted by LegionFX

Sorry but you cannot know that as on purpose or not. Bad players are everywhere. Some bad then others. others should never play a video game. So unless that guy says "its on purpose" you cannot ever prove that. And so i did not missed the point. In the end we was reported for bad gear and bad play style. And thats is just... Like Yumi_umi said, why not just kick him or something. Or leave. Now a tank at lv 15 gets reported cause it does not know how to play. Give me a break

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Did you read the part of the original post where it said this person had WHM and at least 5 DoH classes at 50 already? That hardly seems like someone that we should be treating as if they were brand new. Personally, as a newbie I would've never thought of wearing gathering/crafting gear on a combat class. Everything I wore was class appropriate because that's what you're supposed to wear. The game even pushes you that way with quest rewards. It's more experienced players that realize that you can wear DoL/DoH gear in order to spiritbond (or troll, whichever).

lol.....why SB in copperbell.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

lol.....why SB in copperbell.

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Spiritbonding crafting gear can be quite profitable. A single copperbell run can give a return of up to about 150k gil. And as you can easily do about 2 runs an hour, you can generate up to 300k gil for a single hour's worth of effort. Of course as some of the materia you'll obtain will be rather crappy, on averag a return of roughly 180k per hour is to be expected on Odin.

Still, not a bad way to generate income. There's few other options which drive income in such a fashion. And as long as DPS follows the basic kill order you set, it's pretty much trouble free. As someone indicated before in this topic, you can run copperbell mines practically naked if desired. And don't forget, the DoH/L gear does have stats on it. Heck, on a fully equiped DoH/DoL gear character I tend to have a higher defense / magic defense rating than many PUG tanks I have in random low level roulettes who often have just a few leveled pieces on and the rest being gear from around 10 levels lower. The difference truly lies just in attributes.

With the spiritbonding changes introduced by today's patch, I'm not sure how effect spiritbonding DoH/L gear still is in dungeons.