Black Mage Novus

For Black Mage Novus, should I go all out Det + Crits or Det + Spell Speed for BiS? New to Black Mage, just want big number when casting.

I'm just confused about all this Status thing, can someone who is Blackmage have Novus Tell me what you insert?

The short answer is whatever stats you need/want. Your big numbers will be achieved primarily with the weapon's magic damage (75) and intelligence (42).

The long answer depends on your play style and progress. The SCOB accuracy cap is 470 (T3&4). If you meet the cap with gear and/or food you can max the "damage" stats.
The most common damage build is 44 crit 31 det (very expensive on our server). The "relic" build of 44 spell speed 31 det is a great choice also but keep in mind det IV materia is over 400k each.
I love spell speed so I went 44 ss 23 det and 8 pie. I did that to avoid 8 det IV (not counting fails) and to get close to the optimal BLM pie of 251.

Damn I wish I go with your build 44 Spell Speed and 31 Det instead because Det IV is 400k and Crit IV is 300K. Now I'm stuck on the Novus with 33 Crit and 23 Det.

Spellspeed is better than crit, so 44 Spellspeed, 31 det. But its not going to make a huge difference in your DPS at the end of the day.

I'm going 44 Spellspeed 31 det when I can be bothered to finish it.

44 SSPD, 23 DET, 8 PIE here.

you can be flexible and use whatever stat would benefit you the most. and it isn't going have a big impact on your over all dps. I went with 44 ss and 31 crit on my novus. The difference between det and crit on the novus is negligable.

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Originally Posted by Zaiken

Damn I wish I go with your build 44 Spell Speed and 31 Det instead because Det IV is 400k and Crit IV is 300K. Now I'm stuck on the Novus with 33 Crit and 23 Det.

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Those stats are fine, if you don't need piety, you can finish with 19 spell speed.

Split evenly between Crit/Det/Speed and enjoy not having to use T4s for your Novus.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Split evenly between Crit/Det/Speed and enjoy not having to use T4s for your Novus.

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Don't listen, spend that extra 6 million gil for 0.0002% increase in dps.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Split evenly between Crit/Det/Speed and enjoy not having to use T4s for your Novus.

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This is the answer.

I did 27 Crit / 25 SS / 23 Det and it cost me very little gil.

Make sure you add piety if you need it, people will argue about crit/ss/det till they are blue in the face, chose whatever stat you think suits your play style best, as I don't believe there is really much to chose between the 3.

I have 30 crit, 25 dex and 20 ss on mine,

it was cheap to make and is a solid upgrade from animus and so I'm happy with it.

I was originally going to go all crit + det but it would of cost me 10mil in grade 4 materia to finish my weapon, yeah I have the gil no it wasn't worth it so I didn't bother.

I like the balance the weapon has now.

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Originally Posted by Mister-Wonderful

This is the answer.

I did 27 Crit / 25 SS / 23 Det and it cost me very little gil.

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Anyone go with this setup are happy with it? Will losing some Crits and Det lower DPS down if put to Spell Speed instead of all going out on Crit + Det? I don't think I will have enough gil to go all Det + Crit and wouldn't even pick this if I knew it was this expensive and not worth it.

I may actually just go with this setup if the DPS increased is not even noticeable.

I did SS44 DET 24 CRIT 7

-*well whatever stats missed or un-acquired, get a item with slots and do some melding.
Cheaper and benefits more than spending $$ on materia IV to get +1?
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I got the feeling that it is quite irrelevant what you put on it lol. I put SS and Crit on mine and left DET out completely. A friend of mine has maxed DET out and left SS out. We both parsed eeeh noticed a raise of our dmg but it is in the same range for both of us. No wonder SE let us do a "choice" on secondary stats because what counts in the end is Weapon Damage and the main stat INT. The rest is nice to have but quite irrelevant. The only thing, especially as BLM, I would never advice is to use your weapon to reach an Accuracy cap. Accuracy shouldn't be on a weapon and especially BLM's have it quite easy to meet the higher Coil requirements with body items and accecoires only. If you really have problems with getting to the Acc cap, better get the Lavetinn. It has plenty of it.

I just finished my blm novus the utter day. I went 34 crit/21 ss/20 det and live it... do good dmg n crit alot more often

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

44 SSPD, 23 DET, 8 PIE here.

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I'm on this same plan. Seemed like the best mix to maximize DPS.

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Originally Posted by Olorin

I'm on this same plan. Seemed like the best mix to maximize DPS.

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It isn't the best mix to maximise DPS.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

It isn't the best mix to maximise DPS.

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Best would be 44 SSPD, 31 DET. That being said however, Det IV materia is stupidly expensive and getting 251 Piety all the time (instead of only when grouped with a SCH) is nice.

i never noticed enough of a change with SS to ever think it is important enough, a few .001 seconds isnt worth the wasted space for other stuff

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

Best would be 44 SSPD, 31 DET. That being said however, Det IV materia is stupidly expensive and getting 251 Piety all the time (instead of only when grouped with a SCH) is nice.

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Which is a fair enough point. I was just being clear that if cost isn't an issue for you, 44Spellspeed 31 det would be better.

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

i never noticed enough of a change with SS to ever think it is important enough, a few .001 seconds isnt worth the wasted space for other stuff

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Welcome to Wrong Town, population you.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Welcome to Wrong Town, population you.

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if i can drop all the SS i have and only see a .02 change, its not worth it

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Which is a fair enough point. I was just being clear that if cost isn't an issue for you, 44Spellspeed 31 det would be better.

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Actually, for myself doing the SSPD/DET/PIE build is a very nice DPS increase. Smoother rotation with 251, and I get to put the one PIE I had of my bonus stats back into INT. I'm looking forward to finishing my build in a week or two, 57/75. =D

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

if i can drop all the SS i have and only see a .02 change, its not worth it

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If you aren't running spellspeed on a BLM and saying the stat isn't worth it, then you aren't maximising your dps. There is a lot of proof out there that shows its the best secondary stat when running seleen, and second best when not (and ends up being the best realistically as you get more of it compared to determination on gear, apart from Novus - but its a non issue as you cap Spellspeed and Det). Saying otherwise just makes you look silly.

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

Actually, for myself doing the SSPD/DET/PIE build is a very nice DPS increase. Smoother rotation with 251, and I get to put the one PIE I had of my bonus stats back into INT. I'm looking forward to finishing my build in a week or two, 57/75. =D

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If you have high damage and high spellspeed, you don't need the piety. T1+B1 is a dps increase (its only a tiny increase mind you, less than half a percent of your dps). If you still want the piety, there are better "tradeoffs" to get the piety elsewhere, such as 2 star spellspeed food, or on a crafted piece.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

If you have high damage and high spellspeed, you don't need the piety. T1+B1 is a dps increase (its only a tiny increase mind you, less than half a percent of your dps). If you still want the piety, there are better "tradeoffs" to get the piety elsewhere, such as 2 star spellspeed food, or on a crafted piece.

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Sadly Soldiery gear is crap when it comes to SSPD (nice on damage though), and as my static has just started T7 the important HA Tunic is still out of reach. Regardless though, my build is a very solid choice, not the max it could be, but I am not wasting points on dumb stats nor am I breaking the bank with DET IVs that cost 700k+.

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

Sadly Soldiery gear is crap when it comes to SSPD (nice on damage though), and as my static has just started T7 the important HA Tunic is still out of reach. Regardless though, my build is a very solid choice, not the max it could be, but I am not wasting points on dumb stats nor am I breaking the bank with DET IVs that cost 700k+.

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1) Spellspeed isn't a dumb stat. Its been proven otherwise. With running spellspeed food to get piety, you don't need to have any class stat points in Piety.

2) The discussion was what the most dps was; and if you want the most dps out of your novus, then you run 44 Spellspeed 31 Det. Its a fair point if you want to save money and not use Det IV's (which are getting cheaper by the day, and its stupidly easy to make money in this game), but that still makes no difference to running spellspeed on your novus.

3) I've not got the Chestpiece myself, still doesn't mean spellspeed is a bad stat. You can also run spellspeed (secondary) on the Soldiery Head, Gloves, Feet and Neck. The Crafted Head, Belt and Legs are VERY good options and then you also have the ST items (Head, Gloves, Legs are nice in particular). The crafted jewellery are good choices too.

Someone was asking about the best DPS. If you want to discount a stat because you don't like it or it touched you somewhere bad, then fair enough, but don't go around saying its useless when you are completely incorrect.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

1) Spellspeed isn't a dumb stat. Its been proven otherwise. With running spellspeed food to get piety, you don't need to have any class stat points in Piety.

2) The discussion was what the most dps was; and if you want the most dps out of your novus, then you run 44 Spellspeed 31 Det. Its a fair point if you want to save money and not use Det IV's (which are getting cheaper by the day, and its stupidly easy to make money in this game), but that still makes no difference to running spellspeed on your novus.

3) I've not got the Chestpiece myself, still doesn't mean spellspeed is a bad stat. You can also run spellspeed (secondary) on the Soldiery Head, Gloves, Feet and Neck. The Crafted Head, Belt and Legs are VERY good options and then you also have the ST items (Head, Gloves, Legs are nice in particular). The crafted jewellery are good choices too.

Someone was asking about the best DPS. If you want to discount a stat because you don't like it or it touched you somewhere bad, then fair enough, but don't go around saying its useless when you are completely incorrect.

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So did you even read my post or are you just venting? I said Soldiery gear is crap regarding SSPD (ie very low values) while being good in the other damage stats. If you'd bothered to have read the first word I wrote "sadly" you should have understood that I am irritated the stats are what they are. So why don't you go rewrite your post instead of insulting my intelligence with it. In case you noticed my Novus IS maxed SSPD.

EDIT: Also, the comment regarding DET IV getting cheaper by the day is completely laughable. Perhaps on your server, but on Famfrit the price has more than doubled over the past month. Going from 300k before 2.3 to 700k yesterday. Most people I know, even the rich ones, would balk at the thoight of spending that much for a few DET points.

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

So did you even read my post or are you just venting? I said Soldiery gear is crap regarding SSPD (ie very low values) while being good in the other damage stats. If you'd bothered to have read the first word I wrote "sadly" you should have understood that I am irritated the stats are what they are. So why don't you go rewrite your post instead of insulting my intelligence with it. In case you noticed my Novus IS maxed SSPD.

EDIT: Also, the comment regarding DET IV getting cheaper by the day is completely laughable. Perhaps on your server, but on Famfrit the price has more than doubled over the past month. Going from 300k before 2.3 to 700k yesterday. Most people I know, even the rich ones, would balk at the thoight of spending that much for a few DET points.

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I read your post. I gave examples where Soldiery gear had spellspeed on. Head, Gloves, Feet, Neck. Not a huge amount I agree, but there are also plenty of other viable options. ST gear. Crafted gear.

You said yourself that you aren't wasting points on dumb stats. That was the exact wording you used. Feel free to explain how that isn't what I took it as. If you want to rewrite that, then feel free. I was talking about what the best dps would be from a Novus. Its a fact that a 44 SPD 31 Det Novus gives the most dps. If you want to run something else, either crit/det, or a hybrid for it to be cheaper, then that is your choice.

And Det IV has been steadily getting cheaper for the last month or so on Faerie, and given how the speed of spiritbonding has increased (if you are in the right area/dungeon), and as more people get their Novus, the price will just drop until SE make another change. Sure, some people can't afford it, but given how easy it is to make gil in this game, I know i'll be going 44/31.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

You said yourself that you aren't wasting points on dumb stats. That was the exact wording you used. Feel free to explain how that isn't what I took it as. If you want to rewrite that, then feel free. I was talking about what the best dps would be from a Novus. Its a fact that a 44 SPD 31 Det Novus gives the most dps. If you want to run something else, either crit/det, or a hybrid for it to be cheaper, then that is your choice.

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I think he meant not wasting points on skill speed or str or some other stat that is useless for blm.

You need to chill out a bit and think a little bit more before typing something, just to make sure you dont missunderstood other ppl posts.

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Originally Posted by Beliel

I think he meant not wasting points on skill speed or str or some other stat that is useless for blm.

You need to chill out a bit and think a little bit more before typing something, just to make sure you dont missunderstood other ppl posts.

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Why would anyone bring up skillspeed or strength in a BLM Novus thread? I very much doubt he meant Skillspeed or strength.

im already 44 crit and 26 det is it okay that the remaining 5 will be on SS? is it worth it?

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Originally Posted by Blitz_Striker

im already 44 crit and 26 det is it okay that the remaining 5 will be on SS? is it worth it?

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try 30 det and 1 SS. It'll look awesome beyond fanciness!

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

Best would be 44 SSPD, 31 DET. That being said however, Det IV materia is stupidly expensive and getting 251 Piety all the time (instead of only when grouped with a SCH) is nice.

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I am not a blm. I'm smn with BLM leveled up and I run dungeons and ST with it.

That being said, I came here out of interest, cause a fc matr of mine is going for novus on blm soon and was wondering what he should put as stats. Regarding your comment on "not optimized with ss/det/pie" and saying you hit 251 pie (of which I only now heard) always with sch in party. I would like to know if you have put the 30stats to all int and still hitting 251 with sch, or have you put xint and ypie with the 30statpoints. Because if you havr put pie and int, wouldn't it be more beneficial to swap all 30 into int and then "sacriface" some SS or Det from novus to get that piety, cause int > secondary stats dps wise.

Edit: oh I didn't notice until now that this is pretty old thread which was replied to with some kinda useless comment thus was on the first page and caught my eyes

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Originally Posted by AniCelestine

I am not a blm. I'm smn with BLM leveled up and I run dungeons and ST with it.

That being said, I came here out of interest, cause a fc matr of mine is going for novus on blm soon and was wondering what he should put as stats. Regarding your comment on "not optimized with ss/det/pie" and saying you hit 251 pie (of which I only now heard) always with sch in party. I would like to know if you have put the 30stats to all int and still hitting 251 with sch, or have you put xint and ypie with the 30statpoints. Because if you havr put pie and int, wouldn't it be more beneficial to swap all 30 into int and then "sacriface" some SS or Det from novus to get that piety, cause int > secondary stats dps wise.

Edit: oh I didn't notice until now that this is pretty old thread which was replied to with some kinda useless comment thus was on the first page and caught my eyes

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Piety doesn't matter. T1 is better anyway.

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Originally Posted by AniCelestine

Regarding your comment on "not optimized with ss/det/pie" and saying you hit 251 pie (of which I only now heard) always with sch in party. I would like to know if you have put the 30stats to all int and still hitting 251 with sch, or have you put xint and ypie with the 30statpoints. Because if you havr put pie and int, wouldn't it be more beneficial to swap all 30 into int and then "sacriface" some SS or Det from novus to get that piety, cause int > secondary stats dps wise.

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All 30 are in Int,251 comes from native stats and +8 Pie on the Novus. While Harold says it is useless I do not agree as the dps loss using T2 B1 is less than 1dps over T1 B1, you have an extra 3 sec on the DoT with T2 over T1, and there is about an exrta 8% chance at a proc you do not have with using T1.

So add that up, toss in a smoother rotation with the flexibility to do either type easily, and I fail to see the downside as there are far more positives in my book.

EDIT: Also, as Convert gives MP back as a percentage... Having 251 Piety means that after a Convert you have the MP to do F2 - Flare during an AoE rotation that you cannot do with a lower MP pool.

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

All 30 are in Int,251 comes from native stats and +8 Pie on the Novus. While Harold says it is useless I do not agree as the dps loss using T2 B1 is less than 1dps over T1 B1, you have an extra 3 sec on the DoT with T2 over T1, and there is about an exrta 8% chance at a proc you do not have with using T1.

So add that up, toss in a smoother rotation with the flexibility to do either type easily, and I fail to see the downside as there are far more positives in my book.

EDIT: Also, as Convert gives MP back as a percentage... Having 251 Piety means that after a Convert you have the MP to do F2 - Flare during an AoE rotation that you cannot do with a lower MP pool.

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The math disagrees with you.

If you are running spellspeed (which you should be if you want the most DPS), you don't get the extra DOT ticks of T2 unless you have a large amount of procs, which you end up refreshing your thunder anyway.

If your mana tick comes early, then skip the B1. Its fairly easy.

A smoother rotation? Thats completely negligible whatsoever. I find the T1/B1 rotation smoother - less cast time, more movement, more dps.

AOE rotation? Again, what content do you have to do an AOE rotation that matters? You certainly don't in 2nd coil or any of the extreme primals.

If you want to keep ignoring facts to try and justify using a useless stat on your novus, then go ahead, but i'll make sure that people know you are talking rubbish :)

Piety does not matter for a BLM for any meaningful content. Simple.

For peet's sake Harold, stop spouting theoretical math that has zero real world applications given human imperfection and RNG that borks perfect turreting DPS. T. I have never stated my Piety build was optimal, I have said what I find useful when running real content. Extra T2 tick (if you use T2 B1) for when your rotation is slowed a few seconds due to dodging. The extra F2 cast when AoEing in a Dungeon or open world scenerio. Namely all the little things that JUST HAPPEN which screw perfection into the ground.

I have stated many times the optimal build is SSPD/DET, you seem to ignore that little fact. Sure, you can get an extra 0.8dps over the T2 rotation but that means nothing, show me any fight saved by that little dps difference of one single member of the raid... I highly doubt you will find one.

You are so focused on theoretical min/maxing that you miss what the real world does to those perfect little models you so cherish.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

The math disagrees with you.

If you are running spellspeed (which you should be if you want the most DPS), you don't get the extra DOT ticks of T2 unless you have a large amount of procs, which you end up refreshing your thunder anyway.

If your mana tick comes early, then skip the B1. Its fairly easy.

A smoother rotation? Thats completely negligible whatsoever. I find the T1/B1 rotation smoother - less cast time, more movement, more dps.

AOE rotation? Again, what content do you have to do an AOE rotation that matters? You certainly don't in 2nd coil or any of the extreme primals.

If you want to keep ignoring facts to try and justify using a useless stat on your novus, then go ahead, but i'll make sure that people know you are talking rubbish :)

Piety does not matter for a BLM for any meaningful content. Simple.

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Your talking about "facts" and other people "talking rubbish".

Your "facts" are theory's and the "talking rubbish" is when people disagree with you.

As Numenor1379 say's there is a lot more involved in real world situations that you "facts" and "maths" don't take into account.

In my opinion all these "facts" are of little value without some real world numbers to back them up.

What dps are you doing on real world content that "matters" (t6/8/9, primals) with your "superior" build/rotation? How many Bards?

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

For peet's sake Harold, stop spouting theoretical math that has zero real world applications given human imperfection and RNG that borks perfect turreting DPS.

T. I have never stated my Piety build was optimal, I have said what I find useful when running real content. Extra T2 tick (if you use T2 B1) for when your rotation is slowed a few seconds due to dodging. The extra F2 cast when AoEing in a Dungeon or open world scenerio. Namely all the little things that JUST HAPPEN which screw perfection into the ground.

I have stated many times the optimal build is SSPD/DET, you seem to ignore that little fact. Sure, you can get an extra 0.8dps over the T2 rotation but that means nothing, show me any fight saved by that little dps difference of one single member of the raid... I highly doubt you will find one.

You are so focused on theoretical min/maxing that you miss what the real world does to those perfect little models you so cherish.

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A) The question of this thread was BIS. This is for theoretical BIS.

B) The whole premise that people make up that spellspeed isn't good in real fights is absolute crap. Why? If you have to cancel a cast when running on spellspeed, you are going to have to with any other build. In fact, you get MORE utility out of spellspeed due to lower cast times (can finish your casts quicker), better movement (cast clipping) as well as the dps advantage it brings

C) I do great DPS with my build in the real world with my Spellspeed build. I run my i110 weapon, i110 gloves, i110 feet, i110 neck. The rest are melded crafted pieces.

D) You are coming into a thread that was created in asking about a BIS, claiming that a BIS doesn't matter. Says it all.

E) If you are going for an economical Novus build (which wasn't what this thread was for), there are BETTER options. Hell, put crit instead of piety, at least its a dps increase over piety. Piety doesn't give you a DPS increase in any meaningful fight (as AOE isn't required in current high end game).