Questions about a few spells

Hello guys, I've been wondering about some spells that I have as a WHM. How often should Regen, Divine Seal, and Aero 2 be used? Also, does anyone have tips for controller setups on PS3 for WHM? Because I play WHM when I'm by myself too. And I have a lot of skills that I still use and two hotbars. I'm not sure which skills to switch out to the second hotbar and which ones to keep on the first.

Try to only use regen when you know it will wear off before the next fight starts, most tanks won't cancel it themselves (I'm bad at this personally but I try to avoid tanking anyway) so you don't want insta-hate on a group because your regen is still running. There are various situations to use divine seal, on speed runs it's almost needed at the start if you're not overgeared and even then it makes things so much easier on you, divine seal + regen at the start of pulls can be a life saver. Other uses are on some boss fights where you can pop seal + medica 2 and then switch to dps mode, also when a big bit is coming it can mean using cure 1 over cure 2 for mp management. Aero 2 I just use at the start of boss fights as the duration is short I can't be bothered to keep reapplying it... Think that's laziness on my part though.
Can't help with hotbars as mine are a mess but I've learnt where everything is so muscle memory helps more than anything. I tried sorting them once but the results weren't good so switched it all back to extreme messiness :)

i have cure set to r2+x for both hotbars. i use regen quite frequently, where a cure isnt appropriate, or just where i need a little extra heals . i have it set to l2+triangle. but, one setup wont fit every player. if i could, i would take some pictures of my hotbars and post them, but im at work. i only use 1.5 of my hotbars, but i have every skill, and some cross class. i dont use aero 2, because it has a cast time, and it doesnt seem to be very worth it, unless im on my own. if im on my own, i start with cleric+aero 2, followed by aero as soon as the GCD is down

i havent used divine seal very much, as my regular heals more than suffice. i can heal for almost 1.6k with a crit of over 3k on cure 2, but i have used it. both dots arent worth reapplying on a normal basis while in party.

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

i havent used divine seal very much, as my regular heals more than suffice. i can heal for almost 1.6k with a crit of over 3k on cure 1, but i have used it. both dots arent worth reapplying on a normal basis while in party.

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It's on a 1min recast. There's no reason not to use it often. It's not a "oh crap" button.

Regen is a superb spell, I aim to keep it up constantly when I know it will get its full duration used before the end of combat. It ticks seven time with a 150 potency, for 1,050 total potency, and only costs 186 mp. Compare this to cure II, which has a 650 potency and costs 266 mp, and you can start to see how very efficient it is. Since it's a HoT, it also pulls much less hate than a cure bomb at the beginning of a pull, allowing the tank to secure hate easily.

As for divine seal, use it on CD for every single trash pull, there's no reason not to. When used with regen, it will affect the potency for the entire duration of the HoT, regardless of whether or not divine seal wears off before regen. This is adding about 300 potency to your regen effect, roughly the same as a cure, for free, every pull. When things start to get really messy, divine seal> medica II has obscene healing potential across an entire raid. Just be sure to keep shroud on hand, because stuff will hate on you if you aren't careful.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

It's on a 1min recast. There's no reason not to use it often. It's not a "oh crap" button.

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i know, but in the middle of a fight, it doesnt pop into my head a lot. when i do think of it, i use it, but it has nothiung to do with recast or effectiveness, just if i can remember it in battle.

its sad that ive come across many WHMs who 1)dont know what shroud of saints does or 2)never use it even if they do know.

in T2, the other WHM ran out of mp, and i told him to use SoS, and he never did for the entire fight, he mentioned before we started if he knew what it was.

whil playing tank on my alt, there was a WHM in ST that didnt even know what SoS was.

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

its sad that ive come across many WHMs who 1)dont know what shroud of saints does or 2)never use it even if they do know.

in T2, the other WHM ran out of mp, and i told him to use SoS, and he never did for the entire fight, he mentioned before we started if he knew what it was.

whil playing tank on my alt, there was a WHM in ST that didnt even know what SoS was.

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Someone TOLD me about that too! That it refreshes mana. I used it a few times, for hate and mana refresh but it just seems like it's not very helpful at all. I mean, it might be a bit but it doesn't seem to give me much mana back.

Shroud of Saints recovers 1090 MP over a span of 15 seconds at level 50 (nothing affects this)
This ticks next to your regular MP recovery rate (which is 2% every 3 seconds)

Ideally, you'd want to use Shroud of Saints as soon as possible (SoS off CD is a useless SoS). So burn some MP and use it as soon as you're 1000-1200 mp under cap. By the time shroud ends, you're on max MP again

Oooh, okay. So that's how it's supposed to be used. *nod nods* Alright, I have to try and remember that more often.

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

i havent used divine seal very much, as my regular heals more than suffice. i can heal for almost 1.6k with a crit of over 3k on cure 1, but i have used it. both dots arent worth reapplying on a normal basis while in party.

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What is your whm ilevel?

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

i havent used divine seal very much, as my regular heals more than suffice. i can heal for almost 1.6k with a crit of over 3k on cure 1, but i have used it. both dots arent worth reapplying on a normal basis while in party.

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WAT

Divine seal > regen > medica II

You now have a decent regen on the entire party and your main tank. It's also useful to prep this incase there is some time of constant AoE coming next like Titan stomps or if the tank is your priority because of big damage. Divine seal is awesome.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

What is your whm ilevel?

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yeah... that was a typo. meant cure 2.

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

yeah... that was a typo. meant cure 2.

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LOL, ok. I was wondering. I'm whm i106 w/ Novus, and my Cure 1 (with no buffs or crits) only heals for 1,300-1,400.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

LOL, ok. I was wondering. I'm whm i106 w/ Novus, and my Cure 1 (with no buffs or crits) only heals for 1,300-1,400.

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my cure 1, on average, goes for about 1,100. its been a few days since i healed, been lveling PLD, so i cant remember the crit.

I'd like to throw my general strategies into the ring:

Trash mobs:
If there are more than 2:
Divine Seal whenever it's up. It's only a 60 second cooldown, there's no reason to not use it, but I will wait until a regen runs out if it's about to come off cooldown. You shouldn't usually need it for trash mob pulls anyway, but it lets me DPS more.
Regen after the tank has aggro. Depending on the group size and how long we're, I might end up putting two, but I usually won't have to and just use cure once the first regen has ticked off.

If there are less than 2:
I'll save them both. Cure 1 will do enough to keep the tank up and I might as well keep divine seal off cooldown. There is always an exception of course. Dullahans are the one that comes to mind first.

Bosses:
Unless it's a phase where the boss isn't damaging anybody and everybody's topped off (sand worm in Cutter's Cry, for example), regen is always up on at least the tank, and Divine Seal is always on cooldown (again, trying to match with regen or Medica II)

Areo II is always the first single-target spell I cast when I'm in DPS mode. It'll do more damage over time than Stone II.

I will use Shroud of Saints whenever I have about 1500 mp missing. It's a 2 minute cooldown, so I'll be able to keep my mana relatively stable, even through a long fight, with this tactic. I don't usually have to worry about aggro unless adds spawn (in which case, I'll make sure to know when they spawn and hold off on regen/Medica II). I don't usually need Mage's Ballad unless I'm raising a few people or spamming AOE heals.

Regen and Divine Seal are both fantastic and should be used frequently. Be careful about Divine Seal->Medica II though. It can easily rip hate off an unprepared tank because all those boosted ticks give you aggro.

I actually tend to forego Aero II unless its a big boss fight because in order for it to outdamage Stone II every single tick must go off, which isn't really feasible when you're running with hotshot DPS and contributing your own as well. However, if you're fighting something that you know will be alive and vulnerable for the ful duration, go for it.