Spiritbind and main scenario

So, is it just me, or does main scenario roulette seem made for spiritbind? Plenty of weak mobs, 8-man content, and sections with OP weapons to clear out groups in seconds. It just makes sense to spiritbind in there. And yet, those two dungeons seem to have the most folks just wanting to skip all the monsters and be done with it.

It's kind of understandable, since folks may just want their daily myth, they don't get xp like lower dungeons, nor are people at risk of being undergeared for a speedrun like higher dungeons. But with novus weapons out, materia is in high demand, either to stockpile for your own weapon or to sell for gil.

Am I missing something here about how effective CM/Praetorium are for SB? Or should more people SB in those dungeons?

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

So, is it just me, or does main scenario roulette seem made for spiritbind? Plenty of weak mobs, 8-man content, and sections with OP weapons to clear out groups in seconds. It just makes sense to spiritbind in there. And yet, those two dungeons seem to have the most folks just wanting to skip all the monsters and be done with it.

It's kind of understandable, since folks may just want their daily myth, they don't get xp like lower dungeons, nor are people at risk of being undergeared for a speedrun like higher dungeons. But with novus weapons out, materia is in high demand, either to stockpile for your own weapon or to sell for gil.

Am I missing something here about how effective CM/Praetorium are for SB? Or should more people SB in those dungeons?

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Yes it is indeed very effective.

However, its effective at the cost of other player's time. I personally bind on my own time, outside of dungeons.

not necessarily. Having AF is the best option, but not the only one. If i decide to go in with full i55 gear, and i49 accessories...well good for me eh? : )

Take advanage in the way you can, and you also get to help others out, but it's in no way selfless...it will just help you sleep better at night ;)

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Originally Posted by Xystic

Yes it is indeed very effective.

However, its effective at the cost of other player's time. I personally bind on my own time, outside of dungeons.

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You spiritbind solo? That sounds very slow.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

You spiritbind solo? That sounds very slow.

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Actually Water Sprites @South Shroud is very fast if you don't mind the repetitiveness involved. I find a WHM, BLM and TANK present makes it very easy.

Have you ever stopped to compare dugneon SB gain to Water Sprites? You might be surprised.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

You spiritbind solo? That sounds very slow.

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We have consistent SB parties in the Party Finder on Famfrit.

Also when I solo, I'm a WHM, so its not that slow either.

You could try to make your own spiritbinding party.

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Originally Posted by Morzy

Actually Water Sprites @South Shroud is very fast if you don't mind the repetitiveness involved. I find a WHM, BLM and TANK present makes it very easy.

Have you ever stopped to compare dugneon SB gain to Water Sprites? You might be surprised.

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Yeah it is super fast with even a light party of humans all with chocobos out, and that way you kill two birds with one stone. (puns are delicious)


Plus there is a bevy of items/potions you can use to make the SBing go faster. Water sprites are the better way to go as long as the gear you are trying to SB is equal to or sub i55.

I meant that I see little difference between running a dungeon with folks willing to kill more monsters, and getting an open world SB party. Both rely on other people's time. I know water sprites are decent SB, but that camp also only supports 2 parties. On a more populated server that can cause issues.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

I meant that I see little difference between running a dungeon with folks willing to kill more monsters, and getting an open world SB party. Both rely on other people's time. I know water sprites are decent SB, but that camp also only supports 2 parties. On a more populated server that can cause issues.

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When people join a SB party, they are only intent on killing monsters to SB. Everyone is there for the same reason.

In a dungeon, people can join for various reasons. When you start SB'ing in dungeons you impose on those who aren't doing the dungeon for the same reason.

There is a big difference between the two.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

I meant that I see little difference between running a dungeon with folks willing to kill more monsters, and getting an open world SB party. Both rely on other people's time. I know water sprites are decent SB, but that camp also only supports 2 parties. On a more populated server that can cause issues.

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If you go in with a premade with people that have the same mindset, then there really isn't any difference. Both ways can be done just as efficiently.


The problem is your asking a rhetorical question that there really isn't a correct answer to. In your OP you ask:

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Or should more people SB in those dungeons?

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In my opinion, the answer is no. People should play how they want to play. What's wrong, is going into a duty finder match and expecting people to kill all the mobs, especially if the majority wants to skip. (not saying you do that)

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Originally Posted by Xystic

However, its effective at the cost of other player's time. I personally bind on my own time, outside of dungeons.

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This, please. I ran a roulette once where the healer was spirit binding every single slot. It was terrible and he could barely keep up. If you want to spiritbond, make a party finder and do that crap with other people who want to spiritbond.

Point duly noted. Ilvl 110 gear only unless at watersprites, no matter how easy the content.

If you're binding job appropriate gear I don't see a problem. Ex: Bards binding Spinel (Dex) sets. I bound full accessory sets while doing my daily roulette's and never once had to buy materia for my Novus. You're not hurting the party any more than a fresh 50 would. Heck, I'm still il80+ while binding full spinel sets. People just like to complain about anything.

Well, to be fair, a new player can just join hunts to get the gear they need for CM, minus the weapon.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Point duly noted. Ilvl 110 gear only unless at watersprites, no matter how easy the content.

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No. As the guy above you just said,

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Originally Posted by Jakeson

If you want to spiritbond, make a party finder....with other people who want to spiritbond.

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Spritibind dungeon party won't have a problem with killing everything in a dungeon. Also, if you can get together an 8-man for CM/Prae, you can also go into Coil T3 where there are no bosses to get in your way, and you can run past the golems so you don't get slaughtered by Obliterate.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

If you're binding job appropriate gear I don't see a problem. Ex: Bards binding Spinel (Dex) sets. I bound full accessory sets while doing my daily roulette's and never once had to buy materia for my Novus. You're not hurting the party any more than a fresh 50 would. Heck, I'm still il80+ while binding full spinel sets. People just like to complain about anything.

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It's not a big deal. If I see someone spirit bonding accessories, I don't mind enough to say anything. I didn't even say anything to the guy spiritbonding every slot until we wiped because he couldn't keep up with heals. It's just a matter of this:

You're making me work harder or longer for your personal gain. I don't get any profit sharing, so why should I put forth more effort so that you can do something unrelated to the current content we're doing. That's why if you want to spiritbond, you should do it in your own premade group. Like I said, I generally won't say anything unless you're really bringing the group down, but it is still annoying.

i dont disagree with SBing in dungeons, as long as you arent stupid about it. if youre running a lv 47(aurum vale) or lower dungeon, your il55 SB gear wont be met with hostility. if you are stupid, like the tank i ran ST with yesterday, and have il55 chest, head, legs, and feet, in ST, as a tank, the i will have problems with that. i let the alliance know, i let the party know. i figured it out because he died against scylla. while scylla is sometimes taxing on my mp, i have only ever been overpowered to the point that someone died my first time. so i checked his gear. we had him kicked before the next boss.

edit: all of his accessories were il100+, but in a place like that, SBing is unacceptable the way it was done.

Actually, that's still being stupid about it. On those level 47 monsters they'll hardly get any SB on ilvl 55 gear. They'd be better of doing it solo.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Actually, that's still being stupid about it. On those level 47 monsters they'll hardly get any SB on ilvl 55 gear. They'd be better of doing it solo.

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that is true, speaking from the standpoint of doing dungeons with randoms. if someone wants to do high level dungeons for SB, find a group that wants the same thing. dont SB in a dungeon with irrelevent gear sets that will make you a liability unless everyone knows and agrees beforehand.

Even if it won't make you a liability, like ilvl 55 gear for a 50 dungeon, it would seem it's highly inappropriate in either case. I'm finding myself sorry I ever even entertained the notion of running less than ilvl 90 at all times.

After this last patch I can't help but laugh, laugh like a maniac. I dare to say I spiritbind in dungeons (and I used dungeon and class appropriate stuff too, none of that crafting crap) and everyone gets on my case for being a grand greedalox who cares only for himself at the expense of others.

Now a patch comes out that makes it more difficult for folks to SB while more gimp than I ever was, and everyone loses their fucking minds. It's hysterical!

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

After this last patch I can't help but laugh, laugh like a maniac. I dare to say I spiritbind in dungeons (and I used dungeon and class appropriate stuff too, none of that crafting crap) and everyone gets on my case for being a grand greedalox who cares only for himself at the expense of others.

Now a patch comes out that makes it more difficult for folks to SB while more gimp than I ever was, and everyone loses their fucking minds. It's hysterical!

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everyone who was doing it the wrong way, like in ST or having 49-55 gear in 70+ dungeons cant do that anymore, and they cant seem to shut up about it.