In regard to Bard and Archer

As per this discussion thread on JP fourm:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...の詳細を明かしても良いのでは

Tahnks to effort of two Japanese players Aji and Emayon:

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Originally Posted by emanyon

本当に距離減衰の情報ないみたいなのでFCメンバーに手伝ってもらってウルヴズジェイルで検証してきました
2.5m単位のガバガバ検証なのでご注意を

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Originally Posted by Aji

クイックノック：射程12m、距離が12m以下だとTP表示が青に、12m以上だとTP表示が赤に。
シールドロブ：射程15m、距離が15m以下だとTP表示が青に、15m以上だとTP表示が赤に。

つまりクイックノックとシールドロブ（/micon）を見やすい所に並べておけば12～15mの適正距離目安になる。

ノック青＋ロブ青→12m以下
ノック赤＋ロブ青→12～15m
ノック赤＋ロブ赤→15m以上

という擬似適正距離メーターを思いついた。

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They are able to find out the relationship between distance and range attack potency as per following screenshot:

http://emanon.cms.am/wp-content/uploads/yumi_2.png

At 15M, 100% damage
At 10M or 17M, 80% damage
At 7M or 20M, 50% damage.
Anything at 3M (meele range) and max 25M it is 40% dammage.

The follow screenshot is providing a guide on how to differtiate your range attack potency by looking at color of TP on your action:

http://p.twpl.jp/show/orig/7HX8U

Target is near 12M, the color of tp on your action will be in blue color.
Target is about 15M away from you, the color of tp on your action will be in red color.

It seems the effective attack distance for Archery is too short and caused lack of sustain pressure on the healers or casters.

This is really good info - thanks for cross posting it. It is difficult for bards to be in that sweet-spot, but if you can do it then you will melt targets.

I had no idea

Huh, I thought red meant they were out of range... but that's the sweet spot. Very good to know, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Grayve

Huh, I thought red meant they were out of range... but that's the sweet spot. Very good to know, thanks.

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Yes red means they are out of range, but you're only using the red on Quick Nock as a gauge to find the distance you're at. the max range for Quick Nock is 12y. Once Quick Nock turns from blue to red, you know you're at 12y from your target, then you know you only need to take a few more steps backwards to be at 15y

Jesus, I really had no idea it was this complicated. Great info.

Sidenote: This is why we need a indicator/gauge of distance between us and our target.

Great info, i started standing just out of quick nock range and i did see bigger numbers.

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Originally Posted by yuixjfa

Sidenote: This is why we need a indicator/gauge of distance between us and our target.

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^/10 char.............

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

^/10 char.............

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can we have addons yet?

Has anyone verified this? I am not seeing any real difference in the DMG for Heavy Shot no matter what the distance is from the Target Dummy.

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Originally Posted by Jawn_Henry

Has anyone verified this? I am not seeing any real difference in the DMG for Heavy Shot no matter what the distance is from the Target Dummy.

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Hmmmmm, I was wondering why EN Bards are so quiet while Japanese PVP fourm is having a heat debate on why Bard didn't get a buff. It looks like a lot of our Bards are not even aware of this. No, you won't see any difference on normal dummy, because this is only applied in PvP Zone.

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Considering the recent change to Blast Shot its actually funny :p
Here were goign to change the range on that ability so that you will never be able to use it at its full potency. Why not remove the damage aspect altogether cause what the point anyway.

This whole range thing reminds me of a TBC hunter deadzone altho its not quite as bad its still ridicilous.
15y range is enough for a player with a clue to hug the bard and completely negate his damage.

O.O

This is not a news towards FF11 Ranfers because in FF11, this rule also applied in PvE and was more complicated because it varies from type of range weapon. For example, archery is usually around 15 m but marksmanship is about 5m. It also vary between short bow and long bow, where long bow is about 20m.

Can anyone tell me where this was tested? Because from my knowledge there are no training dummies in PVP conditions.

also, what is that second skill they're using to determine the 15 yrd distance?

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Originally Posted by Tsuole

also, what is that second skill they're using to determine the 15 yrd distance?

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Shield throw, it is 15m. They create macro to use it as range indicator.

When both Quick Nock and Shield Throw are blue, you are closer than 12m
When Quick Nock is red but Shield Throw is Blue, you are within 12m to 15m, the best distance
When both actions are red, you are more than 15 yard away from your target.