Please Incentivize Using Party Finder Over Cross-Server Duty Finder

Because there is no way to establish relations with people across servers, using Duty Finder exclusively doesn't facilitate meeting people in ways that create positive long term relationships in game. That in turn builds a social barrier preventing a lot of people from tackling 2nd Coil of Bahamut because raiding with strangers is stress inducing instead of fun.

Perhaps giving people allied seals for completing dungeons with a set group from their own server would help push things more in the right direction.

Allied seals or some other bonus (maybe challenge log?) would be kind of cool. But, even on a single server, there are thousands of people... you can't know everyone. ^^;

Just the other day I joined a PF for Garuda Ex we went in and died with some of the rocks gone a minute after the sister phase started the first time they showed I dced. I know that's not very good of me to do but everyone in there was between ilvl 95 -110. I've joined DF that's lasted longer and now days I would rather cue for DF only because you generally know what you're going to get.

i think this would be a good idea for when people need to practice for endgame. on NA/EU servers, it seems like the only PF that is succesful is for clear parties, with experience, and DF is for practice. thats bad because no one on DF wants to deal with the person whos only watched a video and never been in the fight. i will acknowledge that what i just said is completely the players fault, and SE is in no way responsible for that, but if it were possible to get even a small reward just for using PF, not even for a clear, like a random crafting mat drop. as people would abuse the not clearing part, make it to where the drop is only possible after x amount of time in instance.

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

... I will acknowledge that what i just said is completely the players fault...

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It technically is the player's fault, but on the same note MMORPGs are social engineering experiments, so it is part of the responsibility of the creator as well. The reason I think my idea is helpful is because different kinds of people tend to come on at different times. Spend enough time doing party finder, and you'll start noticing certain people tend to show up regularly when you do. Those individuals also notice you in turn and this creates an opportunity for constructive relationships to be formed.

i was referring to the fact that players on Na/EU servers use PF successfully for experienced, clear parties, and DF for pracrice. SE is not responsible for how we use these things that they have provided. i would honestly like to see practice parties in PF. last night, i ran garuda ex with almost a completely new party from my fc, only 2 people had cleared it before, and we got to the second set of adds, suparna had 6% health, and that was on our last run.

i would join whatever practice party i could just to provide some tips and help to new people who wanted to learn.

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Originally Posted by Fendred

Because there is no way to establish relations with people across servers, using Duty Finder exclusively doesn't facilitate meeting people in ways that create positive long term relationships in game.

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My question is, why does everything have to be a "long term relationship"? Why can't you have your friendships with your free company or linkshell, and use the duty finder as well so you don't have to wait around for someone to be looking for "your" job?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you never played XI. Everything there was exclusively party based, and what started to happen was the strong jobs were coveted, and the jobs who were maybe better at things in a different way or just better at different things than pew pew were ignored. Beastmasters and puppetmasters come to immediate mind, Black Mages as well were shunned from meripos because everyone and their brother wanted colibri - if you were a bard, rdm, drg, sam, or war though... you were golden. I already see the same thing happening here to some extent - PF brayflox nonstop speedruns were always a pld, whm, and two blm. That's what I see the PF being used for - not for building fair parties that let people get to know their "community".

I don't think that there needs to be any reward for excluding jobs from your group. The reward is that you already get to play the way you want to with the people you believe are the best suited for your task. We don't need to throw myth or soldiery bonuses at you to boot.

Half of the party finder on my server is greyed out and the other half is hunts. This doesn't help me, therefore I'm against it.

Heh, I havent actually even used party finder yet. The cross-server features we have today came to be because the same-server ones took forever! Much as id prefer to stick with my own server I never bothered with it really, just assuming it wont be very different from before.

Maybe ill try it while leveling PLD.

I agree with OP.

Incentive for playing with people on the same server is needed because most people are too lazy to do Party Finder. We need to strengthen our servers communities. As it is now, it feels like I'm playing with a bunch of anonymous people I'll never see again.
Duty Finder with random strangers should be a last resort option.

Really, they need to add more DF incentive. All quests say to use DF for the dungeon/raid/trial to do the quest (you technically use it still for PF, but usually not to find people), more people using actual DF would help with queuing (though I know roulette tries to help with this), and using PF already has the bonus of no queue time/leaving penalty (if used correctly)

Pf doesnt always fill the whole party, and some pre-made groups get longer queue times

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Originally Posted by Enthy

I agree with OP.
Incentive for playing with people on the same server is needed because most people are too lazy to do Party Finder. We need to strengthen our servers communities. As it is now, it feels like I'm playing with a bunch of anonymous people I'll never see again.

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I have a news flash for you... You ARE playing with a bunch of anonymous people you will never, EVER, see again. EVER. The ones who are interested in building a relationship with you will. The rest will join your silly PF party, get their win, and move on to do things with their existing circle of friends. I don't see that every server needs to be isolated from the others just so you can pretend you are having a super-profound social experience. Go to a coffee house ffs.

Like Souljacker says, the most you'll even get out of that is seeing a familiar name in Mor Dhona and then waving towards them and then they look at you not even remembering who you were. I get it, you have no friends and want to make friends. Go make a social LS with like minded people.

I disagree with OP. I like using DF because I feel like I can actually get stuff done. OP already listed the incentives of PF.

No thanks, because giving control to power mongers is not the right thing to do.

I can just imagine how many people will get left behind because someone doesn't like their play style.

then boots them from PF.

Bad idea.

You say get to know the community, though you probably boot half of the community out of party's to get to your goal.

reason people don't use PF most of the time is because of that reason I just said and that's probably why PF is becoming un popular. I don't see much PF runs unless its extremes.

I don't even bother with PF anymore. When I was still trying to clear Garuda EX, Titan EX, and Ifrit EX, 90% of the time, there'd be people hollering for "Farming groups. No noobs!", which even if I knew exactly how the fight went, I would avoid like the plague because most of the time, the people who started those groups would be complete assholes if anyone made even the slightest error.

There just seems to be this "Zero Tolerance" policy in the hardcore endgame content like Coil and EX Primals which shows its ugly face in PF primarily, and it acts as a repellant for me to even touch PF.

If people in-game would be just a little more patient and resist the urge to be jerkfaces at the slightest provocation, maybe I'd consider going back to Party Finder. Just not worth dealing with those kinds of people.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

I don't even bother with PF anymore. When I was still trying to clear Garuda EX, Titan EX, and Ifrit EX, 90% of the time, there'd be people hollering for "Farming groups. No noobs!", which even if I knew exactly how the fight went, I would avoid like the plague because most of the time, the people who started those groups would be complete assholes if anyone made even the slightest error.

There just seems to be this "Zero Tolerance" policy in the hardcore endgame content like Coil and EX Primals which shows its ugly face in PF primarily, and it acts as a repellant for me to even touch PF.

If people in-game would be just a little more patient and resist the urge to be jerkfaces at the slightest provocation, maybe I'd consider going back to Party Finder. Just not worth dealing with those kinds of people.

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See you know, I noticed it also.