Maybe I am new: is this not cheating in dungeon?

Hi all, I am still quite new to the game so maybe someone could kindly enlighten me...

I was running Sastasha this afternoon as DPS, and our healer (a lv34 conjurer) literally just followed us all the way through doing nothing, stood still during battles without even bothering drawing his weapon. And our Arcanist ended up doing all the healing.

So Arcanist complained and I questioned him twice, no response, continue running with us doing nothing. So before the 2nd boss I said we should kick, but the system wouldn't allow me to initiate vote as in an earlier run I initiated it for a disconnected player and that's less than 4 hours ago.

So we got into 2nd boss fight as tank just ran in and pulled. During the boss fight the conjurer only cured himself when attacked by adds and throw in a couple of stones on boss towards the end. Didn't do any healing at all on other members.

So as we move towards the final boss I said someone else should initiate the vote to dismiss as I cannot (since we are pretty much a 3-man party anyway), then all of a sudden I got dismissed!

I had never been dismissed before so understandably I am quite upset. :( And I really don't understand what had happened, as I thought the conjurer was cheating. But then I haven't done many dungeons - has this become an acceptable behaviour now and we are supposed to just put up with it? And why did I get dismissed - I didn't use any aggressive language at all. Am I disrupting the run more than the conjurer? Very confused... :(

It's obvious the ACN was dual boxing the CNJ.

1) The CNJ was being an asshole. As much as it sucks to deal with, being an asshole isn't directly against the rules.

2) It was probably the CNJ who initiated the vote kick on you. In all the games I've played that have a vote kick option, people rarely actually read what it says: the notice pops up and they automatically click yes/accept without thinking. The conversation was about the CNJ so everyone else assumed the notice was for the CNJ. Or maybe they were all buddies, who knows.

As Yonin points out, one of the other players could have possibly been dual-boxing (probably the tank, given that the ACN was the one who initially complained), but it's hard to tell from what little detail you give.

At any rate, no it's not really something you should have to worry about being a common occurrence.

You weren't doing anything wrong what so ever and I'm sorry that you had to experience such annoyance and disrespect. Like the prior comments have stated, the CNJ player initated the vote kick on you, he wasn't cheating but it is likely he was dual-boxing (controlling two+ characters) and using the arcanist or tank as well. These are very rare occurrences, I myself have had the luck of not running into any and I hope you don't encounter a situation like that again.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

2) It was probably the CNJ who initiated the vote kick on you. In all the games I've played that have a vote kick option, people rarely actually read what it says: the notice pops up and they automatically click yes/accept without thinking. The conversation was about the CNJ so everyone else assumed the notice was for the CNJ. Or maybe they were all buddies, who knows.

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If the other 2 weren't teamed up with the cnj him initiating a kick wouldn't have gone through. Someone was dualboxing the cnj, not necessarily the acn.

And wasn't there something from SE saying they were eventually going to implement a thing saying who instigated the kick?

Thanks everyone for reply - much appreciated! :) I am completely new to mmo so was really confused at the time.

If someone was indeed dual-boxing, it's probably not ACN as he was the one who initially complained and he did speak out in support when I questioned the CNJ. Thinking about it... the tank never said a thing during the run, and while we were questioning CNJ, tank just kept running and pulling. Before the 2nd boss ACN and I were standing outside the boss room when I tried to vote kick, and tank literally ran in and pulled boss... so maybe he does know something...

Oh well anyway, I am glad that this is a very rare occasion and I really hope no one else would encounter situation like that. It's rather unpleasant.

Thanks all!! :)

Report them. I hope you did. Whenever you get kicked for no Valid Reason. Screenshot the Pt Chat With improtant informations there. Write down the Exact time and your Server, Player Names etc. to make the research easier for SE. SE takes Vote kick abuse serious and those ppl will be punished.

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Originally Posted by Electrowitch

Report them. I hope you did. Whenever you get kicked for no Valid Reason. Screenshot the Pt Chat With improtant informations there. Write down the Exact time and your Server, Player Names etc. to make the research easier for SE. SE takes Vote kick abuse serious and those ppl will be punished.

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Thanks for the reply! Ah I didn't realise I can report it... was a bit upset and confused when kicked out so didn't do any screenshot etc, so all I can remember is the CNJ's name that's all... Oh well, thanks anyway :), just hope this won't happen to anyone else here.

Regardless of names if you know when you were in the dungeon they can check for who you were with and the log involved.

Sounds to me like you and ACN had a valid reason to kick the CNJ for ignoring your suggestions and complaints, and the tank was obviously using game mechanics to evade the kick. Hope it never happens to you again, but definitely report them if it does. If you just have the exact time and location and the character name, the GM should be able to find and investigate the log of that instance. Stinks that some players will demand a carry by dual boxing in dungeons when there's open-world content that they can use to level up alt accounts without wasting other people's time.

If the tank was running in and just pulling then he probably was doing it to initiate combat so that no one could intimate a vote kick. In later dungeon this kind of thing won't be viable as you need active healing, tanking, and dpsing. Personally, I wouldn't heal as an acn with an afk healer but the acn obviously just wanted to get through the run or didn't know how else to handle this.

You didn't do anything wrong. I've been playing this game since beta and have not seen this happen before. Most people in this community are very nice. Unfortunately you're going to run into some bad players who don't care.

Thanks again everyone for the reply! I will report this to SE so hopefully the incident will get investigated and actioned on so no one else would have to experience this.

I think the ACN took over the healing out of goodwill just trying to keep the tank alive. He was also quite new as well so I guess at the time neither of us realised what was going on...

There is no notice to you whatsoever if you get kicked. They need to implement a notification system that tells you why you where kicked and if you wish to contest the action by the other players. Now all they have to do is mark something like that the player is AFK or Offline and you are gone. Perhaps the system could pop up a message at your end stating that if you do not hit the disagree button within 15 sec you are going being kicked for inactivity or that you are being licked for some other reason and give you an opportunity to write a short response to the event.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

If the other 2 weren't teamed up with the cnj him initiating a kick wouldn't have gone through. Someone was dualboxing the cnj, not necessarily the acn.

And wasn't there something from SE saying they were eventually going to implement a thing saying who instigated the kick?

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Only takes 1 person to vote yes to get someone removed in a light party.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Only takes 1 person to vote yes to get someone removed in a light party.

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And if that person was dual boxing... Bang, you're gone.