The wait is HELL. SE release the 2 missing classes.

Let me start off by saying, 1.18 is a success and I love everything about it. I'm also very excited for future updates... but, the wait for Musketeer has been way to long, especially since the guild is a big tease. I hope SE would just release the missing classes already.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

That sucks. Jobs will be implemented in 1.21 soooooo does that mean the missing classes that they already have guilds for since the begining wont be released until 1.23?

1.23 will probably get released in like 8 more months..

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After they balance the current ones, sure.

I would love that too, but thinking about the potential for bugs, further class imbalance, etc makes me cringe at night. Like a horror story I'd tell my nerdy children.

I'd rather have them add a fun and engaging levelling experience as well as content to shut the elitist hardcore bastards up

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Originally Posted by Rimmer

I'd rather have them add a fun and engaging levelling experience as well as content to shut the elitist hardcore bastards up

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Spread that message loud and clear. This hardcore vs. casual thing is giving me a migraine since I actually give a damn about this game. *sigh*

Also its crazy to think about what went through tanakas head to release the game in that state. Lol

I do agree that the current classes need balancing first, but on the other hand, what game has balanced classes? On that note, we won't see Musketeer or Arcanist till a year or so if that's the case.

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Originally Posted by Rimmer

I'd rather have them add a fun and engaging levelling experience as well as content to shut the elitist hardcore bastards up

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Lol agreed, but I can't help but to feel antsy, especially since the guild is in the game.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

Also its crazy to think about what went through tanakas head to release the game in that state. Lol

I do agree that the current classes need balancing first, but on the other hand, what game has balanced classes? On that note, we won't see Musketeer or Arcanist till a year or so if that's the case.

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Its impossible to perfectly balance out classes imo, there always be whiners who cry nerf and want to be able to do everything every other job can and more..The only thing the devs can do really is make informed decisions based on the feedback we give them, in all honesty though, they're not going to be able to please everyone all the time.


I would very much like to see these new classes, but it is somewhere in the future. I dont think i'd be pushing it to say that they are saving to release these classes for the PS3 release, just to give them another point to market.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

Lol agreed, but I can't help but to feel antsy, especially since the guild is in the game.

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Understandable, im excited by the future of classes in general and the fact they mentioned an Artifact type quest armor for each job, i'd love to be able to get my old condom white mage cap like in XI again, it was just too cute. :D

Two missing classes? Man, are you in for a surprise... (Search northern Gridania for another hint)

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Two missing classes? Man, are you in for a surprise... (Search northern Gridania for another hint)

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Couldn't find anything. :(

There is another "guild" in lower Ul'dah. It's a shrine of some sort but there is a guild type desk and a symbol represting a class much like the branch for conjury and fist for pugilist

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Originally Posted by Rimmer

Its impossible to perfectly balance out classes imo, there always be whiners who cry nerf and want to be able to do everything every other job can and more..The only thing the devs can do really is make informed decisions based on the feedback we give them, in all honesty though, they're not going to be able to please everyone all the time.


I would very much like to see these new classes, but it is somewhere in the future. I dont think i'd be pushing it to say that they are saving to release these classes for the PS3 release, just to give them another point to market.


Understandable, im excited by the future of classes in general and the fact they mentioned an Artifact type quest armor for each job, i'd love to be able to get my old condom white mage cap like in XI again, it was just too cute. :D

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Totally agree.. but do you think SE should release the classes that should've been in the game from the begining before adding jobs?

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

There is another "guild" in lower Ul'dah. It's a shrine of some sort but there is a guild type desk and a symbol represting a class much like the branch for conjury and fist for pugilist

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oo havent seen this one yet!!!

Just a random shot in the dark question here, but why in heavens name do people seem to be obsessed with balance in MMos? There is no PvP element at all in this game, so no competition when it comes to fighting each other, so why are people so up their own pooters about balancing something that doesn't require it?

Would it matter if THM could cast a 6k damage Meteor, and Conjurers could do a 10k DoT? No it wouldn't matter, because it doesn't matter.

Encounters currently are hard, and I like that, but they are hard because the classes are all over the place at the moment.

I jump on a mage class, I expect to be able to shoot lava from my eyes and fart flying ponies. I expect to be powerful.
I jump on a DD class, and I expect to be mental with a weapon, doing a tonne of damage and fast too. I expect to be fast and deadly.
I jump on a tank class and I expect to be practically immune to the world around me. I expect to be made of stone.
I jump on a healer class and expect to be able to cast massive flashy heals and impressive white magic. I expect to be shooting green beams of healing light out my mouth and my southern air lock.

Do I care that the classes are vastly different in terms of damage capabilities, strengths and weaknesses? No of course I don't.

You don't see plumbers crying because carpenters lay carpet, and plumbers can't.

If you want balance, go play a PvP centred MMo, if you want a world of magic, melee, and madness, then stick around, cause Eorzea might just impress us at some point.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

Totally agree.. but do you think SE should release the classes that should've been in the game from the begining before adding jobs?

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They definately should have been in from the begining, its just cruel to tease us gamers with those guilds in the game currently xD

My theory is that the game was infact rush released before those classes were fully ready to be added to the game, but they had already added the respective guilds.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

There is another "guild" in lower Ul'dah. It's a shrine of some sort but there is a guild type desk and a symbol represting a class much like the branch for conjury and fist for pugilist

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I haven't seen that either, could you please post a screenshot of it?

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

Just a random shot in the dark question here, but why in heavens name do people seem to be obsessed with balance in MMos? There is no PvP element at all in this game, so no competition when it comes to fighting each other, so why are people so up their own pooters about balancing something that doesn't require it?

Would it matter if THM could cast a 6k damage Meteor, and Conjurers could do a 10k DoT? No it wouldn't matter, because it doesn't matter.

Encounters currently are hard, and I like that, but they are hard because the classes are all over the place at the moment.

I jump on a mage class, I expect to be able to shoot lava from my eyes and fart flying ponies. I expect to be powerful.
I jump on a DD class, and I expect to be mental with a weapon, doing a tonne of damage and fast too. I expect to be fast and deadly.
I jump on a tank class and I expect to be practically immune to the world around me. I expect to be made of stone.
I jump on a healer class and expect to be able to cast massive flashy heals and impressive white magic. I expect to be shooting green beams of healing light out my mouth and my southern air lock.

Do I care that the classes are vastly different in terms of damage capabilities, strengths and weaknesses? No of course I don't.

You don't see plumbers crying because carpenters lay carpet, and plumbers can't.

If you want balance, go play a PvP centred MMo, if you want a world of magic, melee, and madness, then stick around, cause Eorzea might just impress us at some point.

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That's silly. Why wouldn't they balance classes?
If they didn't, there would be a lot of classes being left out in party raids and grind parties. They want the highest and fastest possible way to defeat mobs. Why would they pick the weaker classes? For exampe look right now. Majority of the r45 dungeons have parties just asking for Archers, Conjurers, and Gladiators. What about the other classes? They balance them for a reason

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Originally Posted by SAMINUS

I haven't seen that either, could you please post a screenshot of it?

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http://www.ffxivinfo.com/images/maps...hant-strip.jpg

The one southwest of the Weaver's guild. I think they gave a name for it from the last patch, but it closely resembles the other guilds.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

http://www.ffxivinfo.com/images/maps...hant-strip.jpg

The one southwest of the Weaver's guild. I think they gave a name for it from the last patch, but it closely resembles the other guilds.

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LOL ty DeadRiser. I was just looking at that same image a few moments ago. I was curious about a picture of the symbol that they are using.

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Originally Posted by SAMINUS

LOL ty DeadRiser. I was just looking at that same image a few moments ago. I was curious about a picture of the symbol that they are using.

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No problem :)
I looked at it 2 months ago before I had quit, and it striked me again when he brought up this thread

That sucks. Jobs will be implemented in 1.21 soooooo does that mean the missing classes that they already have guilds for since the begining wont be released until 1.23?

1.23 will probably get released in like 8 more months..

New jobs can't be added before the current ones are balanced. We'll just have to wait it out.

Balancing the current ones meaning nerf the **** out of archer :)

I've started having dreams of Musketeer. It'd be fantastic to get word from the devs, even a "these are still planned to be released" type thing.

Bayohne?

It blows that we're a year into release and there's still only 7 combat classes, even when the jobs will be released we dont get to level those so it's still 7. I was looking forward to some interesting new classes with this game but you fail SE.
That is all.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Balancing the current ones meaning nerf the **** out of archer :)

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Again with the archer nerf. They are far from overpowered. The only reason they are chosen in Dzemael is because they are ranged.

I can't wait for them to release 2 new classes so I can replay the same flawed game another 2 times.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

Let me start off by saying, 1.18 is a success and I love everything about it. I'm also very excited for future updates... but, the wait for Musketeer has been way to long, especially since the guild is a big tease. I hope SE would just release the missing classes already.

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I'd rather they keep concentrating on fixing/balancing the game and slowly rolling out new content. The game wouldn't be in the state it was in if things could be easily fixed AFTER they're already implemented. They need to be fixed during the development stage. We don't need more bug ridden classes with poorly defined party roles running amok.

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

Again with the archer nerf. They are far from overpowered. The only reason they are chosen in Dzemael is because they are ranged.

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Actually my opinion on archer's has nothing to do with that dungeon run. I've done sp runs with archers and they way they attack constantly, that amount of damage they do, and how I've even witnessed some archer's tanking... it's ridiculous and a bunch of people will agree.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

http://www.ffxivinfo.com/images/maps...hant-strip.jpg

The one southwest of the Weaver's guild. I think they gave a name for it from the last patch, but it closely resembles the other guilds.

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That would be the Milvaneth Sacrarium, my dear. Where the Thaumaturges of the Arzanaeth Ossuary worship Thal's aspect of death and the afterlife, the members of the Sacrarium worship the aspect of life represented through Nald and celebrate it. They appreciate the use of wealth in the present (particularly as donations to the faith) rather than leaving it behind for future generations. There are those whom believe that when White Mage is implemented, it will be based here.

And on the topic of Musketeer and Arcanist, these classes SCREAM out being expansion pack material. Much like how in XI, each major expansion brought a few new classes, I'm calling it now.

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

I'd rather they keep concentrating on fixing/balancing the game and slowly rolling out new content. The game wouldn't be in the state it was in if things could be easily fixed AFTER they're already implemented. They need to be fixed during the development stage. We don't need more bug ridden classes with poorly defined party roles running amok.

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Exactly right, as much as i am anticipating new jobs and stuff, i think at this stage its clear enough they need to take their sweet time balancing out their current classes and content before they roll forward with new buggy unbalanced poorly defined party roles.

As frustrating as it is having very little content in the game, to me it's even more frustrating getting new semi-complete semi-polished and half assed content just for the sake of rushing which is the very reason i find new patches not so appealing. We just need to face the fact that the game was rushed out too soon(ironically after a long time) in a very incomplete state and needs alot of work to get it up to a good functional and enjoyable experience and then they can have full focus on expansion packs and new content, classes and what have you.
Too early at this stage, i would imagine any new class would be just as dull, mundane and unbalanced/undefined as the current classes we have because the current system dictates that. Let the overhaul take place, then worry about new content.

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

I'd rather they keep concentrating on fixing/balancing the game and slowly rolling out new content. The game wouldn't be in the state it was in if things could be easily fixed AFTER they're already implemented. They need to be fixed during the development stage. We don't need more bug ridden classes with poorly defined party roles running amok.

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I do understand what your saying but the whole Job thing is brand new, and the two missing classes is something that should have been in the game from the the start since they have guilds along with airships and chocobos. Yoshida decided to add a new job system before adding the 2 missing jobs that shouldve been in the game from the start..

Musketeer is the biggest reason i got FFXIV.

Wait wait wait.

Where is Shepherd?

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Originally Posted by Engineer

Also its crazy to think about what went through tanakas head to release the game in that state. Lol

I do agree that the current classes need balancing first, but on the other hand, what game has balanced classes? On that note, we won't see Musketeer or Arcanist till a year or so if that's the case.

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Erm, you do know the devs (including Tanaka) have no choice in when the game is released, right?
That's all upper management. They give the devs a deadline on when it needs to be released and even if it's not entirely finished, they need to try and make it as acceptable as possible. (Which didn't work for FFXIV)

Not like it's anything new for SE, they even did that for FFVII and the devs had to cut quite a lot out including a side-quest to revive Aeris (They even forgot to remove her unique text that she says if she's in the party after the point where she dies lol)

But on topic. I can't see it happening for a long time, as much as I'd like it to happen.
One thing that's gotten my hopes up for it to be soon though, was Yoshi-P saying "saving implementation of all classes until 1.20"
I really hope he's on about these, but he probably isn't.