Win trade groups

Soo.. anyone else noticed this?

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How is this even allowed? Cheating the game - and it's players who do their best to get pvp xp and gear.
Something has to be done about people making Win Trade groups cause it's taking away the whole point of pvp.

How is 8 people win trading in 4v4 light party affecting you in any way?

Yoshi said in an interview that it's reportable.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

How is 8 people win trading in 4v4 light party affecting you in any way?

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Don't you think it's cheap? it doesn't bother you at all?
Getting max rank in pvp and all gear with no effort.

SE might as well hand out everything for free then. It doesn't make any
difference if you wanna use This way to get ur rank up.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

Yoshi said in an interview that it's reportable.

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Good to know, thanks

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

How is 8 people win trading in 4v4 light party affecting you in any way?

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Those 8 players get their rank higher, get better gear, has a higher chance of beating other players due to their better gear. Others notice this and repeat the cycle.

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Originally Posted by R1dder

Don't you think it's cheap? it doesn't bother you at all?
Getting max rank in pvp and all gear with no effort.

SE might as well hand out everything for free then. It doesn't make any
difference if you wanna use This way to get ur rank up.

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More then say people power leveling peoples crafts? Or Balmung's Cul-in-a-box service where you literally pay a one time fee and they supply you with every leve turn in to get you from 1 - 50 plus gear and quest items? Or how about AV first room clear only, or old Brayflox two boss speed? For your own sanity it is easier to let some things go or your going to be overall angry all the time.

Post the dev complaint, and move on it might be a technical exploit but the are using the system as it was presented to them let the devs/mods sort it out.

I don't think it's a bannable offense yet though. More or less reporting so they know it's still happening. E3 interview with Yoshi:

Nova Crystallis: How do you feel in regards to players win-trading in Duty Finder PvP?

Yoshida: If you see someone abusing this, feel free to report it. Yes it’s a concern that people are abusing the system, but we have to think why are people doing this? There are some people that really want to do PvP but every time they get in, their gear is not good enough to compete with their opponents, so the only way to get that gear is by winning. It creates this loop of wanting to play, but being unable to play and by using that method players can get up there.

We realize this is a problem, so in 2.3 we are adding new types of actions and things that ignore Morale so that these players have a better chance of getting up to that same level as the higher players. If this doesn’t work, we may have to look at ways of controlling this type of mini-abuse – we want to see what happens in 2.3 and go from there. Rather than banning them for this action, it’s better for us to find a method so players won’t do this, and everyone can have fun. That’s our job.

I actually really like Yoshi's response on this. Shows a lot about someone when they admit the fault is with the system itself rather than the players gaming the system. If it was done properly, there would be no reason to do this. Look forward to seeing what fix they roll out to discourage it.

It doesn't bother me at all - it only gives them an advantage in regards to their pvp skills and traits - has no affect on their gear or strength in an actual match.


You could be new to frontlines and easily beat a max rank pvp opponent..

It doesn't really matter in Frontlines - Wolves Den is a different story.

As bad as it might be to some that people are getting essentially "free PVP rank ups" and points, you really have to considder the impact it has on most people who play this game.

Which is none.

I dont PVP, i dont like PVP and i dont feel i should be forced to PVP for my gear. Going by queue times and people actively doing PVP, i'm far from the only one who thinks of it like this.

Why would i care if someone looks prettier than someone else in his PVP armor? It's not going to serve any use in PVE anyhow. And this Win-trading would still be the better alternative to having people who -do- like PVP quitting this game over not being able to win because elite group #23 has better PVP gear and isnt letting anyone they face off against get close to obtaining that themselves.

I find PVP in this game lame. There's no strategies one can employ over focusing on one person to take down first. It all comes down to who has the better gear, the better stats and the most morale on that gear.

I'm not going to be bothered by people win-trading. Am i going to be jealous i didnt get to Rank 30 in PVP? I guess i dont mind getting some of that gear for glamours. But it's not going to bother me that people are getting it. Honestly, if i really wanted to get some of that gear i'd probably employ a similar method of getting it anyhow. I cant really disapprove of something i feel i would probably do myself.

Ever since Frotlines showed up you see less and less of these groups.

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Originally Posted by R1dder

Getting max rank in pvp and all gear with no effort.

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No effort? I would hardly say that. Even win trading, they will have to spend a lot of time in order to max their PvP Rank. I would classify effort as putting the time in to achieve something. In the case of win trading, they are still putting in effort... Quite a lot of it. I would go so far as to say they might even be putting more effort in, since it will be a much more boring way of levelling their rank. Whatever your opinion on win trading, they are still making effort but the nature of the effort is just very different to spamming Frontlines or traditional Wolve's Den matches.

Don't misunderstand me; I see your point entirely and I can understand why you or anyone else would not like this approach. It's just a little melodramatic to say they're not putting any effort in when they are actually putting in quite a bit of it.

Ultimately how they get their rank doesn't change your gameplay in anyway. This post is perfect:

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Originally Posted by Sakasa

More then say people power leveling peoples crafts? Or Balmung's Cul-in-a-box service where you literally pay a one time fee and they supply you with every leve turn in to get you from 1 - 50 plus gear and quest items? Or how about AV first room clear only, or old Brayflox two boss speed? For your own sanity it is easier to let some things go or your going to be overall angry all the time.

Post the dev complaint, and move on it might be a technical exploit but the are using the system as it was presented to them let the devs/mods sort it out.

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Could not have put it better myself. There's too many people playing this game and too many potential loop holes to get riled over every one of them. Live and let live, they're not affecting you in anyway.

There are also a bunch of players who do this trading, only as much as to fill out the challenge log for the Wolves Den, (which otherwise would be lost due to absurd queue times) and seeing as the exp is a % of a rank.
That's 10 matches, 5 wins, the other 5 are lost.

That's hardly impacting anyone.

With how terrible frontlines ques are right now i'm surprised more of these haven't popped up trying to get more people into frontlines :/