Give Hunt Marks a weekly limit!

Hunts are imbalacing the game, everyone should know this by now. You can get sand of time and oil of time in like one day if you're eager enough to zerg hours for hunt monsters. It's like that SE are saying to people who were practicing weeks to finally clear T8 and get their sands of time to just screw themself. Not to mention that the reason to do dungeons at lvl 50 fell down to either doing some atma book dungeon or doing your daily for alexandrite.

That may just my opinion but SE really has to fix this with an weekly cap how much hunt marks u can gather.

The community is suffering from this, just watch the area shouts when someone pulls a hunt monster before certain players haven't arrived yet in time. You will know what I mean.

Go ahead, I don't care. Have enough seals that I never have to hunt again if I don't want to. Go ahead and shoot the community in the foot for all I care.

Actually, I don't have all the seals I need; I've only upgraded 2 pieces of armor so far. But it's been a month since the hunts were release and introducing any sort of limit on the allied seals would just be gating a good chunk of community from equipment that they haven't had to chance to acquire yet. Maybe giving people easy access to Sands and Oils isn't totally fair to people who have been farming Turn 2. It's absolutely not fair to block late comers from the equipment at this point, however.

Who said about blocking them off? I never said to delete the Hunt, I just want to have it equal to coils, coils are weekly limited, so why not giving hunt marks a weekly limit as well?

If you would like a cap why don't you suggest what the cap should be?

Truth is there is an effective cap in place already. It's the cap that exists on soldiery tomes. You can only upgrade a piece that you own, so once people are caught up they will only be able to upgrade one piece (possibly two when the math works out) per week.

It's three weeks. I don't think SE cares that they severely unbalanced their best game in a while now.

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Originally Posted by Luzifusy

Who said about blocking them off? I never said to delete the Hunt, I just want to have it equal to coils, coils are weekly limited, so why not giving hunt marks a weekly limit as well?

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A cap would be blocking them off every week. There were people who were able to upgrade multiple items a week. A weekly cap would prevent anybody who hasn't fully upgraded their gear or who haven't started hunting from doing the same. If a cap were introduced in the first week or so, fine, no big damage. But it has been almost an entire month since the patch. There would be no benefit to a weekly cap except to bar anybody who didn't jump on the hunt train right away from the same equipment as those who did. That includes new players, more casual players, players who aren't as interested in the hunt because they have different priorities, among others.


It would do more damage than good because you would still have the massive numbers of players who have been taking advantage of the hunts, are fully geared, yet no more ready for Second Coil because the gear won't compensate for skill; meanwhile, you'd also have a growing number of players angry because they're now gated behind a weekly cap on seals.

A cap would probably work. You could totally still do hunts for Soldiery and Myth, which is another venue for upgrading your ilevel. You are correct though, hunts taken a huge chunk of the player base out of the dungeons, raids and frontlines that it has become the new endgame. It's funny and a bit frustrating. Hopefully they'll come up with a good solution. Though, at the moment- capping seems like the only decent one. I would say 450-500 should be a good number. You can buy 2 alexandrite or 2 logs. Which is an oil a week or if you save it, a sand every 2 weeks.

Hunts are still in their infancy (yes, 1 month in an MMO makes them still an infant). 1 month of players doing the hunt train pales in comparison to 10+ years of players joining the game and doing hunts AFTER this given month. So no, it's not too late to introduce drastic changes to the hunt system.

They could make sands themselves drop from the elites, it's not going to change the overall balance of the game. People that couldn't complete SCoB before aren't magically going to have the ability to do so now.

People will get to run around in their i110 gear with no content that actually requires them to utilize it.

It gives people the chance to get gear that they can't from coil. People want to grind out seals for hours on hunt.
I think everyone rages on forum when people get easier access that older players had to work for, but SE will continue to make higher gear easier to get.

IMHO, what people are currently missing from the Hunt because of the overabundance of zerg-style hordes is a feeling of accomplishment before anything else.

Overcoming A and S ranks should require a reasonable combination of wit, careful observation, patient learning and cooperation, giving players a chance to grow into their own and enjoy the outcome; while felling them down by means of sheer overwhelming pressure feels empty and dull.

Emphasis on "reasonable". To me, rewards should always be tools to do things with, instruments that disclose new possibilities, before being status symbols. We should allow our actions to speak for us (which always entails looking at other players as more than just their stats or achievements).

I don't feel cheated because people are getting i90 stuff in other ways. It's their prerogative to prioritize what they like and commit to, and I'm fine with a different approach, as long as all opportunities are treated fairly, without taking away from other parts of the game (dungeoneering, quests, Frontline missions, the works) and erecting barriers within the community.

This is the point to me, and the solutions (regulated hunting permits, daily/weekly caps, instancing and adjustments to the Marks themselves) should be a means to that end.

They need to stop just spoon feeding the casuals. Don't have time to learn dungeon? Here, let me nerf that for you. Don't have time to farm philo tomes? Here let me throw that in a nerfed dungeon. Don't have time to get myth/sold/sand/oil/learn your job/run coil/do ct/st/or any future content in the game? Here have The Hunt.

Hell they leveled thier classes to 50 on fates...might as well give them endgame gear with no skill too. Maybe that's why you see people in ST that are in 110 and don't know how to tank/or how to use transpose on blm/or how to heal...

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Originally Posted by StateAlchemist

They need to stop just spoon feeding the casuals.

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Who does SE care more about? The 10% of community that has the time to be a hardcore player. Or, the 90% of community that is casual because real life is more interesting than game playing time.
SE is company out to make money, who generates more revenue in a system with no pay-to-win DLC? The 10% group or the 90% group?

FYI, I could not find any concrete numbers to depict a ratio of hardcore players to casual players but from experience the hardcore community is usually a much smaller subset of the whole.
The hardcore gamer, participates in game in all facets and invests significantly more time (and money) in the game than the casual.

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Originally Posted by StateAlchemist

Hell they leveled thier classes to 50 on fates...might as well give them endgame gear with no skill too. Maybe that's why you see people in ST that are in 110 and don't know how to tank/or how to use transpose on blm/or how to heal...

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Hahaha... Yeah, we have someone in our FC like that. But she hasn't taken the time to get the high level stuff, thank goodness. She's terrible! :D

Daily cap of 200 seals, and weekly cap of 1000 seals would work wonders. That's a good 10 rank A's to kill per day which won't take very long. If they add dungeon hunt mark and give you a reward of 50 seals, then people don't have to hunt outside all the time to hit the daily cap. This will put an average of 1-2 hours hunting per day and help with the congestion. Hunt is getting out of control as it is now.

So what happens when you can't find anyone to Hunt with you because everyone else has already reached their weekly cap within the first two days? You're stuck hunting B-Ranks that give an absolutely pathetic amount of seals compared to what things actually cost from the NPC.

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Originally Posted by Oghmanyte

So what happens when you can't find anyone to Hunt with you because everyone else has already reached their weekly cap within the first two days? You're stuck hunting B-Ranks that give an absolutely pathetic amount of seals compared to what things actually cost from the NPC.

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Seriously doubt you cannot find 7 other people. Unless all you do is hunting all day long. The A train is not spawning every 30-45 mnts. Right now Hunt is the best thing to do reward-wise. Putting a daily cap will ensure more people actually do Hunt. But the upside is you are not dealing with 200 other people. More like 24-40 other people at the most. Once they hit daily cap, they move on. This will also reduce Hunt fatigue and make sure content cannot be spammed and spanked ASAP NOW!! Gimme everything!!

Last week on my Holidays I had some time over the day and joined a hunt party using the hunting.tk website. 5 hours later, I had 900 seals, had to buy craft materials because I reached the Myth cap and reached the Strat cap (have started with 0 strat tomes). In not even half a day. That's really too much in my opinion although it was nice to upgrade one of my armour items to 110.

Right now it is pretty unbalanced. If you just do your daily hunt, you get 7 seals per day; 49 per week. Plus the weekly one that provides 20 seals. So all in all for a casual hunter if he waits for all the stupid FATES, he will have 69 seals per week. So he needs TEN weeks for a single armour item. Three for an accesoire. Three weeks are fine but ten? Keep in mind that all 12 weeks there is a new major patch, probably introducing the next higher tier of ilevel Items.

In my opinion, hunting casually is not rewarding enough and hardcore grinding provides you with too much of everything. Seals, Myth, Strat. It takes under a minute to kill an A Rank but yet I receive 80 Myth and 10 Strat for it? Can't be right. And no wonder why so many people are dead serious about hunting and everybody and their mothers are doing it 24/7.

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

It takes under a minute to kill an A Rank but yet I receive 80 Myth and 10 Strat for it? Can't be right. And no wonder why so many people are dead serious about hunting and everybody and their mothers are doing it 24/7.

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Yup - and you wonder why people have been quite vocal about Hunt destroying the game. The rewards is great, amazing and just too good, which is totally fine IF they adjust so that monster takes 3-5 minutes to kill which gives reasonable amount of time for most people to arrive and get credits. Also if they spread around the Allied Seals reward in Duty Finder dungeons, people are not pressured to do Hunts. You have to spend at least 20 minutes on middle level dungeons to get 70 seals, it only takes a mere seconds in Hunt.

And speaking of welfare give-away gears.... The First Binding Coil Bahamut 1-4 are rather super easy to farm. Why not make it extremely attractive with giving away more tomes and drops random oil-sand with low rates (or those logs/books). I rather have people farm this or crystal tower. At least they will be "trained" to get used to more mechanic. 1st Coil Gears are also pretty good alternate for level 90. We really DO need more horizontal progression gears so that players have TONS of option of ways to maximize stats. If only they put socketed materia options on those gears, it will make them more attractive to actually do dungeons.

With literally everything new introduced into the game being so restricted (tomes, Coils, Crystal Tower raids, etc), it's absolutely baffling that not only did they not give seals a weekly limit, but the overall cap is 4k as well - compared to how little myth/soldiery have been and to the one item per week lockouts (not to even mention the ridiculous, in both ways, amount of seals dropped by marks)... it's beyond understanding. And sadly, it's already ruined everything way too much; I agree something should be done about it, but it'll be a band-aid on a slit throat... patient might as well be dead by now anyway.

Hot fix coming next week, if it does not adjust Hunt - I guess not renewing your subs till patch 2.4 would be another options.

Well, let's see what happens in the future. The fact is that hunts is another option to do. I didn't like them at first so didn't do them. But as timed passed I saw people I knew getting ilvl 110 gear and I decided to do them too. I don't find them amusing, but it's a better grind than the Atmas, and you get rewards. Sometimes you arrive late, sometimes there's a lack of marks, etc. but it's another thing to do. Farming alexandrites is also tiring, so mixing both (and hunts give a lot of myth tomes) is nicer really. Then you dig the mysterious maps, maybe level an alt class in a low level roulette when you're done with hunting, not that bad.

From my point of view Atmas were worse, then Animus also tiring because of FATE waits and myth tome farming (much slower than now) to buy the books. This is better, although 75 alexandrites are a lot. With hunts and more myth on dungeons it's getting quicker. There's also Syrcus Tower for the weekly loot (and maybe an Unidentified Allagan Tomestone or an Oil of Time.) Apart from the daily Expert Roulette for the Mysterious map, doing roulettes for fun (and tomes) for a change, also practicing T5 if you haven't won it yet, or those who have doing their weekly raids,... There are many things to do while we wait for new content. Apart from the new main story and side quests, tribes, etc.

You don't have to spend all your playing time doing the activity that gives the best reward if you don't enjoy it enough. Some hunting time is fine or even needed if you happen to have an UAT drop and need the sands of time, but at your own pace.