Just now me and few LS friends were practicing Ramuh Extreme and using solo tank method. Sometimes the chaotic strike targeted our MT and this was never happened before the maintenance. Have everyone tried Ramuh Extreme after the maintenance and experieced this? Or it is just RNG or this fight is really bugged now? The chaotic strike never targets the MT right? :(
Ramuh Extreme is bugged after 29/7 maintenance???
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07-30-2014, 06:55 AMLydallMomodaRamuh Extreme is bugged after 29/7 maintenance???
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07-30-2014, 07:02 AMmonochromicorn
the only thing i have to contribute to this, why would a player be exempt from being attacked? what about that makes sense? "hes main tank, he cant get hit by this", even though the tanks job is to get hit with everything they can while staying alive.
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07-30-2014, 07:13 AMYurimiI have not done ramuh extreme but there are some attacks that will not target the current tank (Titan landslide/gaol for example) so if it's a similar situation it may very well be buggedQuote:
Originally Posted by monochromicorn
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07-30-2014, 07:17 AMZanzhizExaverion
I'm sure it's working as intended. Chaotic Strike can target anybody. You just got really good RNG before today.
Edit: To be fair, if it isn't a bug and duo tank the Main Tank doesn't get hit. The Solo Tanking method might trigger Ramuh to target the Main Tank anyway. -
07-30-2014, 07:19 AMRenaultIf you've never done the fight, why even voice your opinion? Chaotic strike does not usually target the main tank. At least, not before this patch. I dislike that this forum is plagued by the opinions of the ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by monochromicorn
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07-30-2014, 07:20 AMCluebilly
What about Levithan Extreme? He has a pretty nasty bug I had happen to me last night: After he dives down and prepares for spinning dive instead of going across as usual, Leviathan's head will respawn with that little purple aura, and you won't have any clue where to run to avoid the boat slam. That's something that /really/ should be fixed
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07-30-2014, 07:21 AMYukikoSometimes it does, but normally MT get freed from Ramuh himself by his Auto attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by LydallMomoda
It was before the patch and will be after... nothing changed, but out of 8 players its not usual that MT will be a target. -
07-30-2014, 07:21 AMZanzhizExaverionI've seen this bug, I think it's when you get a lag spike. But it is new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cluebilly
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07-30-2014, 07:27 AMOrophin
I thought Chaotic Strike was based on proximity to the boss? Was the tank running away from Ramuh to pick up an orb when it happened?
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07-30-2014, 07:28 AMgamesmartChaotic Strike targets the farthest person away, as well as one random non-tank. So this may very well be the case if they were running a single-tank setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orophin
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07-30-2014, 07:30 AMapfelweinwell, thats not 100% true. there are 2 people marked for chaotic strike. one will be a random member which IS NOT #1 or #2 on the hate list. the second one will ALWAYS be the furthest person from ramuh. So if the MT is collecting orbs while ramuh is doing chaotic strike, he might be the furthest from ramuh an will be targeted by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LydallMomoda
to prevent this, u can have your sch standing on the edge of the arena and only running in for thunder strike.
GL
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07-30-2014, 07:33 AMLydallMomodaQuote:
Originally Posted by Orophin
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Originally Posted by apfelwein
yes... so this might be the reason. Thanks. -
07-30-2014, 07:56 AMsaeedaisspecial
Why would you solo tank this fight when it's already incredibly easy to do with two tanks whilst meeting the DPS requirements with even 3 people?
Why make the fight harder than it has to be? -
07-30-2014, 08:26 AMDwillUnless you've been living under a rock all these years, I'll assume this is your first MMO and explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by monochromicorn
Tanks not being targeted by specific mechanics has existed for years mainly because certain mechanics targeting tank would make the fight impossible. Best example in this game is Titan EX. Imagine him Gaoling a tank then said tank lose threat then Titan turns to the group, Mountain Buster the party, chaos ensues. -
07-30-2014, 09:04 AMaerolol
Yes it targets the MT or OT.
I had this happen yesterday BEFORE the patch.
I had not seen this before but it DOES happen.
It happened to me while Main Tanking and to the other tank while I was OT'ing.
There is no bug here. -
07-30-2014, 09:05 AMaerololBecause this game is infested with crappy DPS players who want to put even more responsibility on the tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial
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07-30-2014, 11:13 AMCluebillyThing is, for this particular time, I wasn't lagging at all. At least I certainly didn't notice anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by ZanzhizExaverion
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07-30-2014, 11:18 AMsaeedaisspecialTanking in this game isn't hard though.Quote:
Originally Posted by aerolol
On a lot of fights it's generally considered the easiest job in terms of mechanics. -
07-30-2014, 11:23 AMKamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri
The planet I live on has 24hr days.
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07-30-2014, 11:42 AMCherie
I've seen a tank get chaotic before when he is collecting orbs. I don't think I've seen the tank that currently has Ramuh get chosen for chaotic though. Either way though, if it happens, like others have said, that tank just needs to get back in position before it takes hold. The boss frees the tank with his attacks.
What's with this solo tank method though? Sounds like if you are learning, you'd be better off doing a duo tank method anyway, unless can't kill the adds fast enough. If that's the case though, instead of going single tank, I'd just have a caster limit break a few of them. Single tank just sounds like a pain in the butt. Remember the days with the egi tank? Summoner dies and bam, wipe. :( Same with single tank I'd bet.
Even during the days that the egi tank was still a viable option, I usually voiced against it. That strat was always more trouble than worth, unless you just had really low dps. -
07-30-2014, 11:50 AMDano
the main tank will never get chaotic strike, sounds like a bug to me.
edit: after reading other posts, it might be working as intended but i have never ever get chaotic while main tanking. The only time you'll want to collect orbs while tanking is to overcharge, so i guess the proximity condition might be triggered in this case. -
07-30-2014, 12:23 PMmonochromicorn
if a tank(gld or mar, and their respective jobs), are not actually tanking, is there any reason that they should not get attacked with anything?
as for whoever holds hate, yes i agree that, in some instances, the cant be hit with certain things, but i was referring to a tank class, not the one actually tanking.
edit: after re-reading the initial post, i noticed that i was speaking differently in terms of "tank". that part is my fault, and the way i was thinking wrong. -
07-30-2014, 12:34 PMRegnumMagikThe title is referring to the date, not time. Not every places in the world uses mm/dd/yy format.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri
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07-30-2014, 01:25 PMXenosys
The chaotic strike that targeted your MT was probably caused by the MT being the farthest one from Ramuh. Chaotic strike targets two players, one random and the other being the farthest away. So depending on party comp(if you have a lot of ranged) the farthest one out may be a melee during add phase. Not saying this is exactly what happened in your case, but likely
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07-30-2014, 01:28 PMStarrywisdomUm....almost every MMO with group content tends to have a boss or a mob with those conditions...seriously..Quote:
Originally Posted by monochromicorn
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07-30-2014, 01:31 PMSarcasmMisserBecause the quality of DPS players is so bad they cry foul at a 1000dps check which is roughly what 3 DPS should be getting, and launch into a frothing rage if you ever hold them accountable for their job. It's however ok for tanks and healers to have responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial
Anyway what others said is true, its is not bugged it always targets a random person not first on hate, and the furthest from boss. If your tank is collecting orbs he will get targeted, but it isn't a problem anyway since he will be freed by the boss. -
07-30-2014, 01:35 PMKrrHonestly, the quality of tank players is so bad most of them can't even do a simple defensive cooldown rotation, and cry foul at healers or broken item level requirements when they get killed by "overtuned" damage for item level-appropriate content. DPS at least carry responsibility for their own deaths, tanks can't even handle that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser
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07-30-2014, 02:23 PMmonochromicornf you would look above your post, you would see ive already made a correction to what i said. i was referring to a tank class, not the person holding aggro.the tank class is supposed to be the one holding aggro, just because its set up to happen that way, doesnt mean it always will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starrywisdom
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07-30-2014, 03:29 PMTheRogueXThat's why there is an off-tank who should always be #2 on the Aggro chain and ready to swap at a moment's notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwill
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07-30-2014, 04:08 PMShinkuTachiHaha, or a random landslide or jail on the Tank. It would honestly be hilarious xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Dwill