Newcomer needs some answers

Hello everyone i just started playing FFXIV about 3 months ago and near to the end of the game.I noticed throughout my gameplay i felt it was rushed to the end.
i don't quite understand it but awhile back as i was trying to enjoy the contents of the game every time i had to cooperate with other players ,the higher level ones, they were incredibly impatient and rude not to mention i burned right through dungeons without completely mapping the regions and not getting enough loot etc, my point is why are they even going to bother not helping us "noobs" i mean they started out the same way right? i dont want to make it seem like they're obligated to help or anything but come on we want to enjoy the game as high level players do. i realize i purchased the game a bit late but i just wanted to know
-how was your experience with the game?
- do you think Duty Finder is an overall great system for teamwork?
-how can i not come off as a rude person when needing to accomplish achievements?

Here's a great tip that's bound to not only help you in this game, but also in life:

Say you're new.

Honestly, too many parties wipe because someone doesn't know mechanics and doesn't speak up. If you don't say anything, the party expects you to know what you're doing.

Unfortunately, jerks can buy and run a game as easily as everyone else. So you have to expect a lot of the trouble you're having, it's pretty much unavoidable.

The party finder does help, but it could take a LONG time to get a party together. Posting up something like "first time run of Aurum Vale, lookking for help" or whatever coud work for you. As I said, it'll take forever to get a party, but you'd know you're getting people who are willing to help you.

It's up to you how you want to weigh the convenience/speed vs. pleasantness/fun factor.

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Originally Posted by Mjytresz

Here's a great tip that's bound to not only help you in this game, but also in life:

Say you're new.
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Don´t do that. Do.Not.Do.That.

Pt´s will kick you immediatly when you tell them you´re new.

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Originally Posted by Electrowitch

Don´t do that. Do.Not.Do.That.

Pt´s will kick you immediatly when you tell them you´re new.

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Parties are going to kick you anyway when you're the sole reason they wiped.

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Originally Posted by Electrowitch

Don´t do that. Do.Not.Do.That.

Pt´s will kick you immediatly when you tell them you´re new.

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Only a bunch of assholes would do that. I've never been in a party where they just kicked the new person out. Usually the person who doesn't wanna help would leave right away if they found out someone was new. I honestly appreciate it when people let me know they are new right on the bat so I can gladly guide them through it without any problems.

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Originally Posted by ClaireAbigail

Only a bunch of assholes would do that. I've never been in a party where they just kicked the new person out. Usually the person who doesn't wanna help would leave right away if they found out someone was new. I honestly appreciate it when people let me know they are new right on the bat so I can gladly guide them through it without any problems.

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I´m Jealious. Honest. On my Server it´s horrible. Tell you are new and you´ll be kicked 90% of the time. Like you said only a bunch of assholes would do that. well guess my Server is full with them

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Originally Posted by Mjytresz

Here's a great tip that's bound to not only help you in this game, but also in life:

Say you're new.

Honestly, too many parties wipe because someone doesn't know mechanics and doesn't speak up. If you don't say anything, the party expects you to know what you're doing.

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Do this, please.

People are going to say you'll get kicked for saying so. Maybe, everyone in a while, you will. But for the most part, you wont, and your party will appreciate the heads up. Most bosses only need about 2 lines of explanation, and everyone's going to appreciate the time you save by fessing up so you don't wipe.

With the recent patch, everyone knows when someone new is there anyway. Might as well say its you so they can tailor they're instructions to your class and role.

Yeah I agree , always say ur new to content, I used to say I'm new even if it was my 2nd run and not too confident with the fights.
I have never seen anybody getting kicked for saying they are new, and I've done Alot of instances. What will happen is either someone or all the ppl will just leave( happens rarely) or they welcome u and start explaining mechanics as u go.
U will come across some rude ppl but those are present in every game to be honest and are not the majority in my experience.
So just say "hey Im new to this dungeon, can we do a full run please and let me kow if I'm doing something wrong". Most ppl will take u through it. What I hate is when new players don't say a thing and end up causing a wipe or 2. Because then u are wasting all of our time including yours.
Good luck with ur gaming and enjoy it,

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Originally Posted by Electrowitch

I´m Jealious. Honest. On my Server it´s horrible. Tell you are new and you´ll be kicked 90% of the time. Like you said only a bunch of assholes would do that. well guess my Server is full with them

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I'm on your server as well and it definitely doesn't happen as much as you say. In fact, I never saw it happen personally and I've been playing a lot since the last 2 weeks. I Can't say the same about control freaks and trolls :P

@OP: like people said, just tell your party that you're new to the dungeon. Most peole will understand that :)

Always say you're new. The experienced players will always try to adjust to your low experience so that you don't get overwhelmed.

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Originally Posted by Electrowitch

Don´t do that. Do.Not.Do.That.

Pt´s will kick you immediatly when you tell them you´re new.

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Being new will show one way or another. Lying or simply not answering won't help you at all. There will be a mechanic you'll miss at some point or another - following people around only gets you so far. If you wipe the party, it will only make people even more upset because it could have easily been prevented. Admitting you're new at the beginning at least lets people have the chance to let you know what to watch out for. If they kick you immediately, you can report them for abuse of the kick system and requeue immediately.

Honestly, the kind of people that would kick you simply for being new aren't the kind of people you'd want to run with anyway. These are the people that rage at someone for making an honest mistake and flip absolute shit if the party does wipe. There are plenty of helpful players out there, but they need to know that you don't know the fight before they're going to explain it to you. Many of us actually enjoy the opportunity to teach things to new people and help them clear content. The bonus myth is a nice incentive, too.

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Originally Posted by Electrowitch

I´m Jealious. Honest. On my Server it´s horrible. Tell you are new and you´ll be kicked 90% of the time. Like you said only a bunch of assholes would do that. well guess my Server is full with them

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You're on the same server as me, and I've never had that issue. I've run across people that have left the party because someone was new (and of course the ones that stay but treat the entire party like crap), but never anyone that attempted to vote kick the newbie simply for being new. The only time I've seen newbies vote kicked was when they didn't speak up saying they were new, and subsequently wiped the party. Most players I know would rather know you're new up front so we know what to expect. It's like the other poster said, if nobody speaks up saying that they're new, it's an unspoken agreement that you already know what you're doing.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

You're on the same server as me, and I've never had that issue. I've run across people that have left the party because someone was new (and of course the ones that stay but treat the entire party like crap), but never anyone that attempted to vote kick the newbie simply for being new.

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Wow really? I do believe you, but i have to say it´s hard to believe that it never happened to you, i´ve seen it way too many times.

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Originally Posted by Mjytresz

Here's a great tip that's bound to not only help you in this game, but also in life:

Say you're new.

Honestly, too many parties wipe because someone doesn't know mechanics and doesn't speak up. If you don't say anything, the party expects you to know what you're doing.

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Originally Posted by Bombast

With the recent patch, everyone knows when someone new is there anyway. Might as well say its you so they can tailor they're instructions to your class and role.

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Originally Posted by Moonwolfthegrey

Yeah I agree , always say ur new to content,

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I know you guys are trying to be helpful but this is not what the OP was asking about...

It sounds to me like they're referring to the problem that starts with the last two Main Scenario dungeons and persists in all future 4-man dungeons (and pre-50 dungeons as well to be honest). A group of players who have run the instance dozens of times opts to speed run, bypassing chests and side rooms.

What I recommend OP is asking for a full clear at the beginning of the dungeon. Just say something like, "Can we do a full clear? I need the [gear/achievement]." It's not always about being new. For instance, it was a long time before I got full mapping for Satasha because most people simply don't want to do all the side rooms. I finally got it when I spoke up in chat and asked politely.

P.S. I would also like to add that a lot of people who are new to MMOs don't have the automatic reaction to speak up about being new to content. When I started I never stated I was new, not to hide the fact or anything, simply because I just didn't think of it because it's not something you do in other games. Most (all?) game content can be cleared (even here) with no pre-existing knowledge. FFXIV (and maybe MMOs) in general, are just really aversive to wipes, even though dying is something that is fairly standard and expected in most videogames, FFXIV players seem to LOATHE the idea of ever dying outside of Coil (and even then sometimes).

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Originally Posted by yung_totoro

-how was your experience with the game?
-do you think Duty Finder is an overall great system for teamwork?
-how can i not come off as a rude person when needing to accomplish achievements?

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-how was your experience with the game?
Mixed. Some of the best parties I've had have been through the DF as well as some of the worst. I've seen people trying to force a speed run even after half the party says they are new and I've seen groups with only 1 new person slow down and carefully explain all the mechanics.

-do you think Duty Finder is an overall great system for teamwork?
For teamwork, no. Teamwork requires practice and coordination. Your time with people from the DF is too short to really build "teamwork" beyond commonly accepted tactics.
For getting (most) stuff done, yes. I love that I don't have to build a party on my own and the tactics for most of the dungeons are easy enough that they can be quickly explained if needed.

-how can i not come off as a rude person when needing to accomplish achievements?
Say "Hey, I haven't finished mapping this place. Can we hit these spots?" I even pulled that in Qarn when I realized I hadn't ever gone into the treasure rooms. While some people will grumble, I think a lot of the time the experienced people who have done the dungeon a hundred times forget that not everyone might want to get through it at the same pace as them.

The majority of this game takes place at max level, due to this many max level players have little patience. Its an unfortunate part of any online game.

honestly i want to thank all of you for the advice and suggestions because i did exactly what i was suggested and people are a lot nicer about it, i was just simply afraid of them hating me for it! i have a long ways to go and i feel a bit more at ease to see that there are players like you all out there!!! just recently today i reported these two rude Lalafellins because they were making fun of my gender and my first run through at Aurum Vale. the nerve of those guys i tried to be mature about it! i didnt even know we can report players for that thanks again guys

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Originally Posted by yung_totoro

honestly i want to thank all of you for the advice and suggestions because i did exactly what i was suggested and people are a lot nicer about it, i was just simply afraid of them hating me for it! i have a long ways to go and i feel a bit more at ease to see that there are players like you all out there!!! just recently today i reported these two rude Lalafellins because they were making fun of my gender and my first run through at Aurum Vale. the nerve of those guys i tried to be mature about it! i didnt even know we can report players for that thanks again guys

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Just remember that there will be a lot of experienced players doing low level content with you because they have quests that force them to do so, thus they will be looking to finish "boring" content quickly. Always make sure to say you're new to a raid so they can slow down for you!

My only advice to OP is - try to understand that you're not the only person who bought the game. If you do the dungeon for 1st time then say you're new but don't start to demand that party visit every single corner of the dungeon so you can get your mapping achievement. Just revisit that dungeon with friends later but don't make drama with random people from DF. Usually both the "new player" and the "impatient moron" are equally stupid and selfish in those situations.

You will occasionally run into some rude people, but don't worry. Remember that they stand out in your mind because they're the exception.

I like it when people don't grab chests in dungeons, it means that once we finish(and they have all left) I just use return ,then sprint around grabbing all the loots, sure I might die one or twice, but then I just respawn and continue loot collection.

This is also a good way to get those map completions.

Yes, always say you are new. When I see that I take the time to explain. As WHM primarily, sometimes I'm mid-typing a boss mechanic explanation and the tank runs on in :P
But, hey, I finish the explaination and heal while i do, if i have to.
I'm levelling my tank now, and wierldly, doing Tam-Tara 4 times this week with other people, NOT new, I always take the left corridor at the split and all 4 times one of the members got the mapping achievment. They were happy (and surprised)!
Also, when i got Satasha on LLDR, there was a newbie and I asked at the big room section "All rooms for xp, or straight through?". The newbie wanted xp (and the others were cool with that). In the last corner one of the lv50 synced got the mapping achievement!
So, yes, they all definately got rushed through on their first time!

I like to meander...

-how was your experience with the game?
Fun and generally good/great. One amusing thing happened once when I was watching CSs and my FC team ran into the boss so I got locked out. That was amusing.

-do you think Duty Finder is an overall great system for teamwork?
Teamwork no... trying to herd cats... yes... If you want teamwork get a crew - 3 others will work. The way I see it most of the game revolves around having a group of 4 people. Everything higher is basically get 2 such teams together to do 8 man and so on...

-how can i not come off as a rude person when needing to accomplish achievements?
Mention that you need it and if you can explore fully. As an alternative you can after everyone leaves explore the place for 5-10 minutes. Most mapping will get triggered at the start of the mappable area not at the end so might be enough to just put a foot in the door.

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Originally Posted by ruskie

-do you think Duty Finder is an overall great system for teamwork?
Teamwork no... trying to herd cats... yes...

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... not sure if that was a comment about how many Miqo'te there are ... :confused:

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first timers are great in the 50+ dungeons because everyone gets extra myth. =)