FFXIV's Card Game, A Plea

Please do not base it in RNG, you will kill any competitive value or joy that could be derived from such a beloved & nostalgic mini-game.

Both FF 8 & 9's card games had their own unique strengths & weaknesses.

Both are loved in their own way. However, FF9's Card Game was utterly ruined by RNG. Against AI, this is less of a matter, but against Humans, it will break FF14's v.

For those unaware, In FF9 cards were assigned a power value paired against an opposing card's defense value. An ungodly card could still lose to a bottom-tier card bc of true RNG.

It was all chance with probability mixed in. A card with power of 10 could roll a value anywhere between 1-175 while a defense of 1 could roll between 0-15. Sure, you up your odds having a greater power differential but you could still lose.

Please do not repeat this mistake in FFXIV's Card Game.

A card game? Seems like I'm late to the party...

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Originally Posted by Taeyee

A card game? Seems like I'm late to the party...

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It's bound to happen. Very likely launched with the release of the Gold Saucer. They've essentially confirmed we'll get one, it's just a matter of time. I'm trying to intercept them in the development process to prevent another RNG-based blunder.

This is news to me, but sounds fun! Would be cool to gain a reward for doing well at it. Gain so many points per win ---> Trade it in for some card-themed vanity gear.

Here's to the hopes of casting Yu-Gi-Oh style glamours in the future!

Bring back Tetra Master!! (I know you can still play it with the XI sub, but I would love it here...)

Tetra Master was a wonderful card game, but if we're doing it player-versus-player it wouldn't work, it'd be a joke if it's a direct copy.

A hybrid of elements from both Triple Triad & Tetra Master would be the way to go.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

Tetra Master was a wonderful card game, but if we're doing it player-versus-player it wouldn't work, it'd be a joke if it's a direct copy.

A hybrid of elements from both Triple Triad & Tetra Master would be the way to go.

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I would hope they would make it so it could be both multiplayer and single player. Some of us aren't that into PvP content, be it actually fighting in the Wolf's Den or Frontlines, or playing a card game like this.

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Originally Posted by Malzian

Bring back Tetra Master!! (I know you can still play it with the XI sub, but I would love it here...)

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Actually it was discontinued on playonline services many years ago.

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Originally Posted by Yurimi

Actually it was discontinued on playonline services many years ago.

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Hmm... I didn't know that. Hadn't played it in a while, thought it was still around. Well then... my rally cry remains! Bring back Tetra Master!!

While I don't think Gold Saucer would have an actual, legitimate TCG associated with it, I do think it will get there.

Honestly? I wish they'd take this TCG suggestion to port in the Final Fantasy TCG, but maybe with FFXIV-only cards.

Soon I'll post a fully fleshed-out idea I have but for now...

Think like this, every mob (bosses & raid bosses incl.) have a chance to drop their card. Cards are all tradable.

Cards Spiritbond from use, slower rate for higher grades. Once Spiritbonded, they can be converted into an item from the creature's loot table. Certain ones can even merit unique drops (e.g. Minions). Spiritbond % is reset upon trading or sale.

How much value would this add to the game. If like Tetra Master, the cards could slowly grow in power at certain SB intervals (up to a maximum).

I'm worried Triple Triad will ultimately end up a flop if it's not different than FFIX's Card Game somehow... the RNG will kill any pvp potential it could have.

I have a funny feeling that all of the Golden Saucer games will be based on RNG and nothing else. IMO it's probably better to expect it and accept it then be utterly disappointed when non-RNG systems never happen.

Signed,
Your local pessimist.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

Please do not base it in RNG,

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How is any card game not based in some way on RNG/chance... ?

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Originally Posted by kidvideo

How is any card game not based in some way on RNG/chance... ?

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There are plenty that aren't... it's not the type you draw from a deck at random, you have a predetermined set of cards. It's pure skill which determines the winner in FF8's card game.

Which I just realized I confused Triple Triad (ff8) with Tetra Master (ff9) in my previous post. Tetra Master is the RNG-disaster card game, it's fun from a solo vantage but broken in many ways.

Triple Triad is fun but had some wonky rules & not nearly the depth of Tetra Master, ultimately.

FFXIV card game? with chance of mobs and bosses to drop cards?

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY GIL <3

I'm very tired of RNG whining threads, RNG is par of life and an essential part of gaming, in small amounts of course, if you remove RNG from a game you have boring rotations, no room for improvisation and little strategy, and this doesn't apply to card games only...

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Originally Posted by Renik

I'm very tired of RNG whining threads...

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"RNG whining threads," please don't come in here again if all you're going to do is flame.

I didn't say I wanted no RNG, I said it shouldn't be "based in it".

In other words, RNG shouldn't ruin game balance--it shouldn't be the determining factor.

Tetra Master is a great example of bad RNG because the greatest card in the game could still roll a loss against the weakest, practically negating any skilled play.

It utterly killed any competitive value the game could've had in a multiplayer setting.

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Originally Posted by Renik

I'm very tired of RNG whining threads, RNG is par of life and an essential part of gaming, in small amounts of course, if you remove RNG from a game you have boring rotations, no room for improvisation and little strategy, and this doesn't apply to card games only...

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Lack of RNG would not remove strategy in the least... but it does help keep a sense of unknown and people's hopes of the lack of grind while allowing devs to (sort of) hide their determination to slow us down (I say sort of because some grinds are blatantly obvious because of low % RNG, while others are inconsequential or acceptable). Its not required at all to make mechanics work though, knowing the average attempts to acquire an item you could recreate the rarity that RNG provides with percentages without ever having a random element. I think that is why I like to push a progressive % (/RNG) which would be more exciting, imo,- things are not known, but hope is never lost as each time of loss is a moment of growth.

A well made card game will have elements of randomness due to shuffling, but is so well balanced that only extreme cases of luck have "made" the match. OP is wanting to have RNG not be the deciding factor of the game but rather skill, good play. Sounds good to me, I gave OP like- RNG being a deciding factor of the entire fate is annoying.. specially when it is perceptually evident (drop rate is 10%, runs trial 82 times.. still hasn't received item. Or the more hilarious gathering chance is 92% fails 5 times in a row. --- /fuuuuuu)

Posted idea here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ing-On-the-Old

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Originally Posted by CodeCass

Trade it in for some card-themed vanity gear.

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Card Themed Final Fantasy gear, I wonder...

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...2-ladyluck.jpg

Yes Please!

I just wish we would get an update on the gold saucer like place. I hope its actually high in the air.

Same... wishing so bad it comes with 2.4!