Future Tank Skills

Was just curious as to what everyone thinks should happen to the existing tanks when they eventually add more skills. Any new mechanics in mind? what abilities would you like to see added to them?

I'd like to see the paladin get some more MP-based abilities so Riot Blade isn't quite so useless. I mentioned a few of them in the "Paladin rework" thread.

I think, personally, my ideal Paladin rework would be to give the OT Paladin more of a support role than the DPS role that the warrior plays. It'd be based upon healing/buffing nearby allies using powerful defensive/offensive buffs, HOTs and things of that nature that only work on other players in close proximity, and balance their use by giving them huge MP requirements. Some of them could be time based (i.e. the buff lasts X seconds), and some of them could be toggled with a moderate MP cost to cast followed by upkeep until it's toggled off. Combine that with a third attack in the riot blade combo that either heals a large amount of MP but has a high TP cost and low attack potency, or adds a low potency refresh to help recover MP.

Anything that makes the Paladin a viable OT option would be appreciated.

In regards to PLD I'd personally like to see more stuff relating to the oaths, maybe some stance swapping here and there. As for Warrior I'm not entirely sure, maybe some debuff related abilities?

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A use for riot blade, preferably in the form of a third combo move so we can at least have 2 combos, even if it's adding a damage effect to flash.

Some more area moves, perhaps an on GCD, MP using circle of scorn type holy attack.

I can agree with some of what silvach has said:

1. 'Cover' redesigned for all types of damage would be incredibly useful and the ability meaning more would encourage more people to use it.

2. 'Tempered Will' to me is already fine as it is, a reduced cooldown however would be all that I change.

as for 'Sword Oath', Paladins are already more effective dps as OT so I don't see them making any changes to that. Paladins can already out dps warriors when in OT its when they MT that the warriors have the higher dps output.

I would like to see I dps/status ability like 'Holy' for Paladins, since the roots of Paladin are fairly religious in real life it makes sense to have an ability that portrays that. I reduced potency 'Holy' that stuns all nearby targets would be incredibly useful when the whole party is being attack instead of just the healer.

I removed the post from this topic as it is more about rework (and there is another topic for that) than adding some skills in future :)

Getting to the PLD is holy thing, I agree. Demons should fear us. Ghosts should be scared of us. Here comes the ol 'in ffxi...." bit. But really, Undead killer or Holy circle would be cool to have. Lot's of places we go to have voidsent, which are essentially demon type mobs. A dmg reflection buff would be neat as well. Active with bulwark or something like that. Or shield spikes, when applied reflect x%of dmg taken, lasts 20 mins or so. Different tiers of them for different duration's or potency, the more potent the less it's active.

While having some undead/demon slaying skills would be something i think is cool for sure in regards to pally but the game isn't really built around having skills that relate to something that specific, at least not yet. I'm also curious as to what skills they would add to warrior, can anyone think of something warrior is lacking in particular or that adds something to the class without reworking it?

New skill call knights of the round. lol

Elemental stuff and things like undead-slayer require some pretty challenging balance. In theory is sounds kind of fun "I'll be able to use my ice spells and do more damage!" but in reality it's "You need to use ice on this boss and if you don't do ice damage we don't want you in the group".

So if they implement it there has to be a reason to not exclude Warriors from, say, the Zombie-primal because they don't have undead-slayer.

(Also of note is that Paladin is more like "knight" in the JP version AFAIK, so I think we over-play the holy aspects of the job)

As far as skills I'd like to see:
Something that makes Fracture a worth while thing. Like a proc that adds wrath or activates something that can mitigate some damage.
A party-protector of some kind. Thrill of War from PVP?

I agree with the over play on holy aspects to an extent since it's really only called paladin to be fancy when it really is just knight (i mean it does have cover which is the iconic knight ability) but i think the 'holy' aspect more comes from the connection to conjurer rather than simply the classic job it represents and it's more or less based of FF11s paladin which was a holy knight.

I'd really like to see some gap closers added to the tanks tool sets.

But specifically:

Paladins - 1 additional AOE ability. Also, I'd like to see a specific heal like Regen, but it only heals when the Paladin is hit for 1% of health, say duration is 20s or stops is 20% of total health is healed before 20s is up.

Warrior - 1 extra defensive cooldown that persists so long as you are hit, maybe something called Thick Skin. You get 1 extra armor added per hit you take, lasts until no longer hit and caps at maybe an extra 30-50 armor.

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Originally Posted by Zenky

I'd really like to see some gap closers added to the tanks tool sets.

But specifically:

Paladins - 1 additional AOE ability. Also, I'd like to see a specific heal like Regen, but it only heals when the Paladin is hit for 1% of health, say duration is 20s or stops is 20% of total health is healed before 20s is up.

Warrior - 1 extra defensive cooldown that persists so long as you are hit, maybe something called Thick Skin. You get 1 extra armor added per hit you take, lasts until no longer hit and caps at maybe an extra 30-50 armor.

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This. I like these suggestions.

Warrior is seriously lacking in armour. and if they wanted to make a tank that is based on anything Berserker style they need to do something like this.

Do note that I am not asking for God mode. I hate that mentality, and i can hold onto any content i played so far with good results. its just that sometimes i wish i had some semblance of armor. I would even suggest that either use Defiance (more hp) or thick skin (more armor) something like that that is a toggle like sword and shield oath.

And something needs to happen with Fracture. make it comboable, gives wrath, offGCD anything that can help that little skill.

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Originally Posted by Aloreal

This. I like these suggestions.

Warrior is seriously lacking in armour. and if they wanted to make a tank that is based on anything Berserker style they need to do something like this.

Do note that I am not asking for God mode. I hate that mentality, and i can hold onto any content i played so far with good results. its just that sometimes i wish i had some semblance of armor. I would even suggest that either use Defiance (more hp) or thick skin (more armor) something like that that is a toggle like sword and shield oath.

And something needs to happen with Fracture. make it comboable, gives wrath, offGCD anything that can help that little skill.

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The reason warrior has less armor is balancing, the skills like thrill of battle, bloodbath,storms path,inner beast and the higher HP in general are meant to balance this out for the sake of playing differently to pally.

more AoE for Warrior.

Please.

kthxbai.