I realize that this was improved slightly due to the complaints from before with Odin/Behemoth, but twice in the last week I've had issues with my dots on my smn, and it's impacting my gameplay.
In Syrcus Tower, we had a bunch of bards, blms and smns in the group (I went in solo), and although my dots were landing, the timers for them weren't showing up so I had no idea how to time my Fester properly (especially since Bio runs out before the other 2) and didn't know when it was time to refresh the dots. The only way I knew they had landed in the first place was the fact that my Fester was doing the appropriate amount of damage.
I just fought a Goobbue S-rank Hunt mob with my party in Middle La Noscea, was there for the pull, started applying dots, cast Fester and it said Fester has no effect. I then realized that the mob clearly had reached it's capacity for dots due to all of the other players around and my spells were completely ineffective. I tried 3 times to land them and managed to get Bio on once, which was then overwritten because it once again said Fester has no effect. Then I tried to use Rouse and Spur in an attempt to at least use Enkindle and try and get some damage in somewhere, and then it told me I couldn't use Rouse or Spur because my Garuda-Egi had disappeared due to the limit.
This is ridiculous and needs to be fixed. From now on I'll be using scholar or blm for these hunts until it happens, but this is unacceptable because it makes one of the classes completely useless.
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07-25-2014, 01:06 PMCruxisSeptentrionSMN dots aren't landing/showing during Syrcus Tower and S Rank Hunts
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07-25-2014, 01:24 PMAlexPayne
I do find it odd that there is such a low DoT limit, especially when these things were designed to have upwards of a dozen DPS classes attacking at once. In the case of hunts, it seems like a hundred DPS.
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08-01-2014, 05:44 AM0kilz
Worst part is even if you enable the only show my debuffs they still don't appear which is stupid. I'm in the same boat where I'm staring at the mob watching for the "+bio" floating text and making sure fester is hitting for 300 potency.
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08-01-2014, 06:54 AMNintenPyjak64
This is exactly why I change to PLD or WAR for hunts. SMN is very inefficient since it's one giant Enmity race for full credit. As for ST, haven't experienced it yet, the one and only time I ran ST there were only 2 SMN in all alliances (one being me), but I understand your pain (went as SMN one time to Odin. Naturally I got bronze)
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08-01-2014, 07:04 AMNathan061111
Well in ST your DOTs are getting applied just not showing which is a bit silly tbh. In the case of the hunts, the S ranks have been tuned to 24 players so for S ranks when the whole server shows up you obviously reach the limit pretty quick. Its not just BRD, SMN etc it will be every class Aero, Aero II, Fracture and everything. I'm not sure how easy it would be to fix or whether it is possible to do this for a limited number of monsters or it has to be applied to all, this may make things more difficult.
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08-01-2014, 10:12 AMtOnni3
Out of topic : SMN is not good for hunt, they suck in burst and share enmity with Egi.
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08-01-2014, 01:54 PMSen_TerrechantTitan Enkindle is a low potency DoT that generates a lot of aggro :], and enmity for contribution is based in group- so the egi does help your party get contribution.Quote:
Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64
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08-01-2014, 03:36 PMtOnni3
Back when in Odin, I remember re-summoning Titan-Egi like 3 times cuz it disappear by unknown reason.
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08-01-2014, 09:18 PMBWise0713
I've had the same problem myself. There's just so many DOT's flying out there that mine are not making it before they cap on the mob. I've come up with a specific rotation just so I can be one of the first with my DOT's on the mob and just keep them refreshed before they burn off. If I don't make it in time....I just have to deal with the fact that my fester potency will only be 200 instead of 300. Hey, it's better than nothing, but I still don't like it. I could go for a cap raise on the amount of DOT's that can land on a mob, but that's just me.
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08-01-2014, 09:21 PMMythToken
It is dumb to have such a limit on DoT's they really need to fix it.
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08-03-2014, 08:50 AMRiyos
iirc there's an option to remove someone else's dots
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08-03-2014, 08:24 PMAniCelestinethere's a option to only see your DoTs, but frankly if the enemy is capped with DoTs/Debuffs they wont show up, even if you have the "show only my DoTs/Debuffs option selected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riyos
And yeah, the only place I use my SMN anymore is in coil, ST? BLM or WAR. Hunts? WAR. Roulets? WAR. Even though I'm SMN main, I don't use it for those stuff, cause the gil bonus for tanks in roulets each day nets you nice gil for nothing, on hunts smn lacks the burst and blm is just a faceroll in ST, I usually just watch some TV while I run ST, so strickt rotation is easy to do while not watching the screen and people spam the se.1-16 in game when something has to be dodged/activated. -
08-04-2014, 08:08 AMWandererintheDark
Actually, in my experience the DoTs do apply.
I've looked at this in multiple situations including Odin, A and S rank hunts, and ST. While the DoT list may not show your DoTs on the target, if you use Fester, you should see that it does its standard damage.
My festers usually hit between 990-1100 with all Bio I/II and Miasma and even in these fights where I might only see one of my DoTs on the bar, I still do the full damage as if I have all up.
With things like Hunts, its not that big of a deal, since they die so quickly anyways, but I can see how that would be annoying on ST.
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08-04-2014, 08:35 AMViridianaIt depends. Devs have confirmed that only 60 debuffs can apply to any one mob at a time. If you can get yours on before that cap is hit, good for you; but there's a very good reason that I don't even try to put on dots beyond a certain point. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by WandererintheDark
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08-04-2014, 07:57 PMPetiteMalFleurIf there are a bunch of dot classes running you risk not getting your dots up. I've had to ask monks in my group to not apply their dots and that helped. I know they weren't going up because my festers did no damage. As someone else pointed out, there is a 60 dot limit and it does get reached in these fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by WandererintheDark
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08-05-2014, 03:27 PMTannlore
The dots are applying even if visually they aren't appearing in the case of ST. Check it yourself, put your dots on. Don't see them? Fester.. you'll do your full fester dmg. They are there.
Now for smn on hunts? Don't do it. no bueno. But in this case, I have yet to not have my dots land. They won't appear, but they still are there. My festers tell me so. -
08-05-2014, 06:21 PMDishSoapWhich is an amazing "feature" to have when you have 2 classes based around DoTs and most other class have Debuffs they have to keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viridiana
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08-06-2014, 01:02 AMViridianaYeah, it's pretty special. Considering it's possible (very unlikely, but possible) to hit the limit in an alliance, I don't know why they thought SMN would be anything other than crap for open world hunts. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by DishSoap
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08-09-2014, 02:32 AMVivizaThis would only matter if hunts were a dps race. Summoners are excellent in open world hunts provided they're using Titan-Egi. Threat counts as contribution and Titan-Egi produces tons, especially if enkindle is up. Anything the summoner manages to add is simply a bonus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viridiana
It was the same with fate grinding zergs several months ago. Send in topaz carby and you had a gold for sure.