Savage Mode Crystal Tower & Syrcus Tower?

With Savage Mode Coil having been implemented within the last patch, do you think it would be a good idea to include Savage Mode Crystal and Syrcus Tower when pre-made alliances are introduced?

I love coil to death, I do. With that having been said however, I'm really craving that 24 man difficult encounter, and I think Savage Modes for these two raids could be really fun and enjoyable.

As far as rewards go, in order to really motivate people to participate, there would have to be incentive and I don't think titles and bragging rights will be enough. I don't know what they could do, maybe you're able to loot two items per week out of Savage Tower, or maybe the items get a slight boost to ilevel 105 or something. I'm sure the devs could get creative when it comes to this aspect.

Would you care to see this more hardcore large-scale player experience?

It will probably come with savage level trolling, and subsequently, a savage level crystal tower drinking game!

I would love it. Yesterday one Eos healed our party during ST while we stayed in Cleric nearly for the entire raid.

Savage CT & ST would be incredible.

I don't think the gear's ilvl should be upgraded but instead how about dyeable variants (or colour swaps) of the same gear.

Same loot method, perhaps seperate though so say you could get 1 ST piece/week & 1 STex piece/week.

Pointless unless preformed alliances are implemented.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

Pointless unless preformed alliances are implemented.

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"...when premade alliances are introduced?"

Yeah, finish reading at least the first paragraph of the OP before you post such a worthless point.

I WOULD LOVE THIS.

Too bad Yoshida already said that they don't have any plans for this.

Would I like to see hardcore large scale PvE? Yes. Definitely.

Alliance setup like this is just a waste: It's easy content, you CAN'T bring the set group that you want (unless you go through an annoying cheat-the-system routine), so you just join a bunch of random people -- the strong carry the weak and it's little fun for either.

I would NOT like to see it exactly like Savage mode coil though. Make it an actual replacement for the current 8-person group setup. If 8-person content is kept too that's fine. But the 24 (or more) person content needs to have its own full-scale progression. With actual progression loot. Not a "for bragging rights only" deal.

Switching between group sizes is painful. Current 8 person statics will want to join or recruit more people if go to 24+. If go to 24+ and the content gets old without a followup, then many of those same people added are now left out in the cold when their group does smaller scale content.. So changes of group size should be infrequent - it's just that larger scale is simply superior (my opinion) to 8-person and worth it

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Originally Posted by Lyn

Too bad Yoshida already said that they don't have any plans for this.

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They can include plans for this if enough of the playerbase shows interest in it.


+1 OP

You first have to understand why savage mode coil exists. They didn't make any changes, savage mode was already there ready for use, it was just discarded in favor of the current second coil, a savage CT or ST would require actual planning and developing, with so much upcoming content I doubt they will spend resources on that.

Do we really need hard modes of already exisiting content for everything? It's just lazy game design. Just give us some real new content.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

You first have to understand why savage mode coil exists. They didn't make any changes, savage mode was already there ready for use, it was just discarded in favor of the current second coil, a savage CT or ST would require actual planning and developing, with so much upcoming content I doubt they will spend resources on that.

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Actually the reason CT1 was delayed from release to 2.1 was precisely because the original version they created was far too difficult for PUGs and would require too much co-ordination from a full 24-man alliance. A 'savage' version of CT1 was most certainly created and discarded much like savage coil.

OP it sounds interesting, but it also sounds like hell.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Actually the reason CT1 was delayed from release to 2.1 was precisely because the original version they created was far too difficult for PUGs and would require too much co-ordination from a full 24-man alliance. A 'savage' version of CT1 was most certainly created and discarded much like savage coil.

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But do you know for a fact they kept the old version?

Spirit-bonders in savage mode CT? That would piss people off more than it does in Syrcus Tower now.

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Originally Posted by Lyn

Too bad Yoshida already said that they don't have any plans for this.

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Plans can never change? This would be a good idea that would take minimal developmental work.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Actually the reason CT1 was delayed from release to 2.1 was precisely because the original version they created was far too difficult for PUGs and would require too much co-ordination from a full 24-man alliance. A 'savage' version of CT1 was most certainly created and discarded much like savage coil.

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the only thing they changed (at least for CT1) was instead of just at atomos you had to stand on pads you had to do it the whole time.

Crystal and Syrcus Tower are casual content. They aren't designed to be difficult, so it would take a lot of work to make Savage mode. Not worth it.

BCOB was already designed to be tough, so it's not that hard to throw balance out the window and just crank up enemy stats.

Think about it from the opposite perspective. FFXIV intended Echo to make BCOB and EX primals easier ... but Echo is mostly a failure because mechanics are too tough.
So, it's hard to make easy dungeons tough, and it's hard to make tough dungeons easy. It's much easier to make an easy dungeon a bit easier, or a tough dungeon a bit harder.

Maybe, if they scale it down to just an 8 man raid. I understand that 24 man raid will be implemented and there's a better chance of possibly getting 24 good players together, but at the same time, the chances of that are very low. Its hard enough just to find 24 people in general. So maybe if the savage difficulty is only for 8 man groups, why not?

Enough recycling. Allocate development time to something entirely new please.

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

They can include plans for this if enough of the playerbase shows interest in it.


+1 OP

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

Plans can never change? This would be a good idea that would take minimal developmental work.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it. Actually the absence of difficult 24-man content have made me lost interest in FFXIV engame content. What I meant is that the demand has to be even stronger because Yoshida said recently that he feels players would leave the game if they are not able to accomplish this type of content so they don't want to implement this. This is not a valid argument to me though.

I sure hope he will change his mind in the future. It doesn't have to be Crystal Tower, it can be something else.