t7 help

So we have 5been clearing t7 for some time now and for some reason we are having problems with the timing of the fight we normally have our brd kite and he\\'s rather good at it but it seems like voices arnt coming at the right times so was wondering if it would b easier to control the renuds if I were to kite them instead of the brd to m

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Our group uses the lb to force phase changes exactly when we want them. As your gear improves as a group it is going to throw the timing off if people don't hold back at the proper times, easier to just have 1 person drop the hammer at the right time then have everyone try to coordinate.

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So basically what is happening is the voices and renud spawns are being thrown off due to the higher dps we have gotten over the last week and was wondering how to exactly better deal with the difference in Itiming

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Originally Posted by get0_death_wcc

So basically what is happening is the voices and renud spawns are being thrown off due to the higher dps we have gotten over the last week and was wondering how to exactly better deal with the difference in Itiming

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pause DPS at 82 and 62% for a voice. Pause DPS at 37% for a shriek. Wait till kill the 3rd add for another shriek. Solves all the timing problems in that fight.

Simple solution: continue stoning the old and better placed renaud. A good kiter can kite a bad spawned renaud even during shriek and after shriek you kill the one that is bad placed and keep the other in stone.

We had the same problem and have had to have dps hold for voices, otherwise we were having problems with skipping voices resulting in the Renauds waking up. It was also making it difficult for our kiter to have the Renauds in position before voices went off, so we had to slow dps for that.

As others have said, the reason the timing is off is because your DPS has increased as you gained more gear and general confidence with the fight. Please note that renaud pop times are NOT connected to phase changes. They simply happen at timed intervals from the start of the fight, independent of when phase switches are triggered. As in, when the first phase change happens, there is a possibility that the renaud will pop at an inopportune time if you aren't careful. My group has found that the easiest way for the kiter to handle renauds is if the renaud pops at about the same time the FIRST phase change happens (80%)... so basically, your kiter is placing the 2nd renaud when the first of three adds pop. To make this possible, ensure that THREE voices happen BEFORE the phase change. By the time the 4x adds spawn (60%), your 4x stack of renauds SHOULD be in place unless you get unlucky with where renauds spawn and they need to be killed because they aren't stacked properly. However, you will still want to wait for a voice to happen before the phase shift because otherwise the renauds might unfreeze.

The most important thing, as others have said, is the final phase. Wait until your group experiences a voice to shriek combo before pushing the boss to 35%, as it is essential they get refrozen due to the timing of the next phase. The final add will also need to die ASAP. If it doesn't, your renauds might run out of time. So, my group uses LB on the final add. We used to get LB3 but now we are only getting LB2, so have your dps be mindful of that. If you DO run out of time on the renauds, kill them off rather than 'risking it' because if you do risk it, your entire group might end up wiping. It is possible for your kiter to handle placing new renauds in this phase, as stressful as it is... I've done it several times, even while dodging shrieks and ensuring shrieks were 'hidden' from the group because they were on myself.

Ideally, though, watch phase pushes so that you won't have to deal with placing renauds at all after the first four are properly positioned. Have healers (or whoever you have assigned to voice the renauds) as well as people with shriek ensure that ALL FOUR RENAUDS are hit so that the kiter knows their job is 'done'. Only the kiter should kill misplaced renauds, and if you do accidentally kill one let the kiter know so he or she knows that a new one will be spawning.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

your 4x stack of renauds

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Stacking tactic I've also seen and in my opinion, it is risky. To be mostly safe that renauds don't wake up, you need the stone refresh on them that they also get through shriek. When you stack 4 renauds, there is a risk that one of them is in the shadow of the others and shriek will not refresh stone on him. So these might wake up to early.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

Stacking tactic I've also seen and in my opinion, it is risky. To be mostly safe that renauds don't wake up, you need the stone refresh on them that they also get through shriek. When you stack 4 renauds, there is a risk that one of them is in the shadow of the others and shriek will not refresh stone on him. So these might wake up to early.

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If voice hits all, then shriek will also hit all normally and vice versa. But from our experience shriek isn't needed for refreeze, Voices are enough if you time phase shift properly. However, in T7 Savage Renauds can't be repetrified, thus stacking method doesn't work anyway. Furthermore, 2 renauds are spawning at once while 2 peeps get shriek :D Looks like ultimate fun and frustration.

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Stacking tactic I've also seen and in my opinion, it is risky. To be mostly safe that renauds don't wake up, you need the stone refresh on them that they also get through shriek. When you stack 4 renauds, there is a risk that one of them is in the shadow of the others and shriek will not refresh stone on him. So these might wake up to early.

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That's true. This is why I ask the healers and people with shriek to watch and ensure that all 4x renauds were hit after I believe I've placed them correctly (usually around 60% phase shift, or beforehand). The reason I tell them to do it is because if you are far away from the renauds, you likely won't see all four floating text on the mobs as they are hit, and the only way to 'know' is to tab through them. With more practice and patience, the kiter will get REALLY good at timing and won't have to 'replace' renauds as frequently. The only time renauds will need to be replaced is if they spawn across the room and the voice comes too early for the renaud to even reach the spot it needs to be in.

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That's true. This is why I ask the healers and people with shriek to watch and ensure that all 4x renauds were hit after I believe I've placed them correctly (usually around 60% phase shift, or beforehand). The reason I tell them to do it is because if you are far away from the renauds, you likely won't see all four floating text on the mobs as they are hit, and the only way to 'know' is to tab through them. With more practice and patience, the kiter will get REALLY good at timing and won't have to 'replace' renauds as frequently. The only time renauds will need to be replaced is if they spawn across the room and the voice comes too early for the renaud to even reach the spot it needs to be in.

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Then your kiter kites one more round till next voice comes :)

ok so basically is about timing the phase shifts so that the voices aren't going to b off from the Renaud spawns so as someone said wait for a voice or shriek b4 pushing phases and it should even out the voice to Renaud situation that we seem to be having will bring that up once and c how it goes ;)

Phase changes due to DPS changes can be very frustrating. Due to hunts all our DPS are now i110 and we wiped for hours in t7 this week due to killing the last add too fast. (We normally take 3 tries max). At 80 and 60 push the phase right after a voice. At 37 wait for shriek to finish (player shriek goes off) then push to 35 and finally don't kill the last add until voice starts casting.

Good tips in the thread already, but I'll summarise here and include an extra tip:

- Place the renaulds on the middle ring, furthest point from the boss.

- Place the renaulds in the same 'hit box' so shieks/voices will affect them all

- To ensure your re-pet timers are guaranteed to renew on a phase change, hold DPS at 82%, 62% and 37% (changes are 2% below these) and wait for a shriek before phase changing. (voice for the 82%)

- Perhaps the most experienced tip I can give, and the only one I've not seen mentioned in the thread is to 'angle' the front side of each of your renaulds so they are facing the boss before they get petrified. (This may require you to kite them around a bit before bringing them to the stack position, depending on how long you have until the petrify goes off. ) The reason for this is because the rotation of the boss in her last phase has longer delays between the voice/shrieks where your renaulds can have a chance to wake up. The way to prevent that is to refresh their petrify with the bosses newest ability "patrifcation", which requires them to face her.

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Originally Posted by NovaUltimatum

- Perhaps the most experienced tip I can give, and the only one I've not seen mentioned in the thread is to 'angle' the front side of each of your renaulds so they are facing the boss before they get petrified. (This may require you to kite them around a bit before bringing them to the stack position, depending on how long you have until the petrify goes off. ) The reason for this is because the rotation of the boss in her last phase has longer delays between the voice/shrieks where your renaulds can have a chance to wake up. The way to prevent that is to refresh their petrify with the bosses newest ability "patrifcation", which requires them to face her.

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If u shift correctly, this is not needed. Also it is very error prone

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Originally Posted by NovaUltimatum

- Perhaps the most experienced tip I can give, and the only one I've not seen mentioned in the thread is to 'angle' the front side of each of your renaulds so they are facing the boss before they get petrified. (This may require you to kite them around a bit before bringing them to the stack position, depending on how long you have until the petrify goes off. ) The reason for this is because the rotation of the boss in her last phase has longer delays between the voice/shrieks where your renaulds can have a chance to wake up. The way to prevent that is to refresh their petrify with the bosses newest ability "patrifcation", which requires them to face her.

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My group does this because for some reason the Renauds tend to "wake up" about a half second before a healers voice goes off in the final phase. Using petrifaction to refresh petrify has given us a good safety net for clearing this turn.

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Originally Posted by Yonko

pause DPS at 82 and 62% for a voice. Pause DPS at 37% for a shriek. Wait till kill the 3rd add for another shriek. Solves all the timing problems in that fight.

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This. Exactly. After the first week since hunts, we had a lot of players finish their novus and upgrade some weathered gear. Our DPS spiked big time. Suddenly, T7 became all messed up due to shriek/voice/add spawns. Halt DPS at those times. Adjust.

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Originally Posted by NovaUltimatum

The way to prevent that is to refresh their petrify with the bosses newest ability "patrifcation", which requires them to face her.

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I thought I am already dreaming or so. Also noticed this. But got not the idea to actively make use of this.