Frontline: Broken Queue or Broken Downscaling? Both?

Earlier this morning I was asking around to see what each GC's wait time was for Frontline. As Maelstrom it was "More than 30 minutes", so I thought for sure that the other factions were better.

I asked a few Adders first, and to my surprise they had the same average wait time.

I then got into a Wolves Den before my Frontline popped, and asked a flames there. Their average wait time was more than 30 minutes; just like Adders and Maelstrom.

So tell me, how is it possible that all three GC's have a more than 30 minute wait time at once? Either the queues are broken, the downscaling to 16v16v16/8v8v8 is broken, or both are broken.

Has anyone ever even gotten one of the smaller scale versions of FL?

I've never seen a game properly down scaled.

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Originally Posted by Mecan

I've never seen a game properly down scaled.

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Me either, even in the dead of the night with 2 hour ques ive never had a downscaled game.

I had a downscaled game yesterday morning, but it was the first and only time. We still started without 2 full alliances. -_-

I'm oddly relieved to hear it's not just happening to me... I'm on hyperion, maelstrom and the queues seem to get longer and longer. Seems unlikely that FL interest has gone down already, so I think there's something wrong with both queues and down scaling which rarely happens (been in maybe 2 down scaled matches)

the downscaling has to be broken. twice now i've gotten 16x16x16 but last night it was after a 2 hour wait so i guess the question is how long of a wait before the downscaling takes effect?

Relieved it's a broader problem than just myself. After having poor queue times for a few days, I finally saw a 16v16v16. I was wondering if it was just because everyone is doing bloody hunts. SE addressed the queue problems very quickly before, I'm hoping they'll take a look at this.

Im from Tonberry and got my queue within 8 minutes and even less. It always depends to how many are queuing and if the previous fight is still on going...

I don't understand this.
Is the queue timer high because not enough people are playing the game? I mean, how many people are playing in each region? Has to be thousands at a time, right? You are telling me there are not enough people to form ONE match per region? In entire europe/america region there are less than 70 people queuing for frontlines? If so, the game must surely be dying...
There has to be another explanation

Yep i'm on tonberry too, 298 campaigns so far and i've never waited more than 15 mins max.

Guess Frontlines is more popular in the JPN servers, on the Elemental data center at least.

I see Downscales to 48 all the time in the AM 6-9 EST.
If you aren't getting these, must be one GC just not queuing

I just finally withdrew waiting for a queue pop on Primal Data Center (Maelstrom) after 114 minutes. It would be splendid to get a downscaled game just so I could actually be PLAYING as opposed to sitting around trying to make sure I don't miss it while I step away from the computer to grab a drink.

Maybe the system count average of all players. Like if Twin Adder have 5min ques and maelstrom 50min que. The system calculate what is average of all players instead of each grand company, I think. If i que in the middle of day, queue times are usually 1 - 10min for me.

I just have to ask are you guys queuing with "Join in Progress" selected? Because I rarely have that long of a queue

I am not sure from your region. More or less, there are only few people doing Frontline. Also, when you go to "Duty Finder" make sure that the letters of "JEDF" for language (Below Role) are being highlighted for you to join others as well. Normally, if you only have selected one language to queue then it will take longer and may not connect.

If you think the game is dying, why are we still in forum discussing frontline and other stuff. Right?

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Originally Posted by Madeiner

I don't understand this.
Is the queue timer high because not enough people are playing the game? I mean, how many people are playing in each region? Has to be thousands at a time, right? You are telling me there are not enough people to form ONE match per region? In entire europe/america region there are less than 70 people queuing for frontlines? If so, the game must surely be dying...
There has to be another explanation

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I beleives it is because not enouch Twin Adders to sustain Frontline. Malestorm and Immortal Flames are just too popular. If I que pass 1:00 AM EST, I get pull into another match right after one is finish.

Guess what? Twin Adders need more people to boost up our rank :cool:

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

I just have to ask are you guys queuing with "Join in Progress" selected? Because I rarely have that long of a queue

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^ this.

My gut reaction to OP's situation is it is possible the system is hiccuping if too many are in queue but aren't doing join in progress, and it's got X amount of games going that need to be filled. I have no data to back this up but it seems like I get into join in progress ones fairly fast (malestorm), and I don't think I ever seem to get a group that's already 16x16x16 at the start.

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Originally Posted by Allyra

^ this.

My gut reaction to OP's situation is it is possible the system is hiccuping if too many are in queue but aren't doing join in progress, and it's got X amount of games going that need to be filled. I have no data to back this up but it seems like I get into join in progress ones fairly fast (malestorm), and I don't think I ever seem to get a group that's already 16x16x16 at the start.

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I have in progress and all languages set up and still manage to easily go 60+ minutes without a pop.

If parties could do Join in Progress for Frontlines at least, that would help... perhaps the system is getting logjammed with parties of various sizes it can't drop into In Progress runs, and it's waiting on those to finish out before starting the next one, and so on, and not pulling in solo-queuers who registered as join in progress later on. But that's all theorizing, all I can say for sure is that I'm very disappointed to yet again be at a point in this game where I'm spending my time WAITING to do the things I want, vs. actually doing getting to do them. The only other games I know of that involve so much unnecessary waiting are the ones on my iPad where they want me to spend gems to speed up a timer on something (like the virtual race car I bought with winnings being able to be 'delivered' instantly for $1.99 vs. waiting 6 hours). Of course that's not a very accurate example... after all, with those games I don't pay money for stupid IAP's and just accept the wait and move on to something else, whereas here I've ALREADY paid, and in doing so bought the privilege of waiting.

I think the que system in general is just effed.

Ive seen this multiple times: Two people que at the same time. One person gets 3 pops in the span of 45 minutes, the other person in left in que for 45 minutes. They both have all languages checked, and in progress checked.

SE PLZ

Same issue here. Maelstrom/Leviathan. It used to be pretty fast ques. Now its 30+ all the time. Sometimes I go 90 min without a pop. Guildies from other GCs have same issue.

My queues used to be ~5m but after the recent maintenance, they've been taking a lot longer (two hours before I gave up).

If my timer surpasses twenty minutes now, I just requeue.

Im on primal as well. (maelstrom) and the queue times lately have been getting steadily longer and longer for me. whether i queue alone (with join in progress checked) or with friends :(

my theory is that on primal there just arent enough servers to handle the demand. others seem to think there are too many Maelstrom now.. heck who knows... but it's really frustrating to get in only 1 or 2 matches in two hours time.

Me and some of my fc have tested the duty finder regarding the Frontlines.. result:
We joined in 6 = 45 minutes of waiting time so we disbanded and joined alone.. after 1 min we were all in the same party.
the alliances are not full, the person that join it the moment that the fight start is able to join an alliance and fill it = this person have the priority compared to those who are already waiting the frontlines.


sorry for my English but I must show the results so you can take some measures because right now the duty finder isn't fair.

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Originally Posted by Cleffy

Me and some of my fc have tested the duty finder regarding the Frontlines.. result:
We joined in 6 = 45 minutes of waiting time so we disbanded and joined alone.. after 1 min we were all in the same party.
the alliances are not full, the person that join it the moment that the fight start is able to join an alliance and fill it = this person have the priority compared to those who are already waiting the frontlines.


sorry for my English but I must show the results so you can take some measures because right now the duty finder isn't fair.

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So basically you are saying that re-queuing every minute makes things faster?

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

So basically you are saying that re-queuing every minute makes things faster?

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No, Cleff is saying that solo queueing made it faster.

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Originally Posted by Koltik

No, Cleff is saying that solo queueing made it faster.

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Originally Posted by Cleffy

the person that join it the moment that the fight start is able to join an alliance and fill it = this person have the priority compared to those who are already waiting the frontlines.

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You sure? :P

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

You sure? :P

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Yes, but go ahead and let us know how requeueing every 1m with a party goes.

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Originally Posted by Koltik

Yes, but go ahead and let us know how requeueing every 1m with a party goes.

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I was just asking for confirmation, since Cleffy seems to have tested this already.

I think hes also saying that WHEN soloqueing its not a 'line' based system. You are far more likely to get into a match if you que for it when it starts.

Which would make sense with some people waiting 45 minutes, and some getting into matches.

I too play on the Primal Data Center, am an Adder and my queue is also becoming longer and longer w/ the ave wait being 'more than 30 mins' I always solo queue as 'join in progress' and stopped grouping with friends about a week ago when we waited over an hour and as soon as I left our party and queued solo we ALL got in....in the SAME party. The first 2 weeks it was out, I did over 70+ matches each week. This week, I've been able to get into 13. I've tried queuing different times of day/ways/etc. Nothing seems to help.

I am positive people are interested in doing Frontlines. So I don't think it's a 'lack of players' issue. Which leaves either: Frontline Queue matching is broken or Frontline downsizing of queues is broken.

Oh....and the darn hunts are blowing ALL queue times out the water....but that's a related, but heavily contested topic I really am fed up with.

I had a 2 alliance downscaled game once, it was really early in the morning (EST)

Yeah on Primal its pretty, PRETTY long. Not understanding it that well since like, last week it was a pvp fest

Never really had to wait more then 5-10 minutes. After the first match it's near instant with Join in Progress.

I really, really want to be able to enjoy Frontlines, but these queues are just not working. For the past week, they've really gotten pretty bad. Solo, they average about 30 mins+ with the occasional quicker "in progress". Tonight I had a queue estimated at 20 mins. After an hour, I finally logged off. Queue up with a party? Not a chance. Those queues are even worse. I'm starting to turn people down who ask if I want to group up for Frontlines after my friend and I waited 90 minutes last night in a queue before giving up and going to bed. Solo is the only option anymore.

These matches only actually last about 10 minutes, so these wait times are just not reasonable for this content. If there is an underlying issue with the logic of the Duty Finder, please fix it pronto, or at least give us a heads up on what is going on. I don't mind running smaller matches. I just want to be able to actually DO Frontlines.

Btw, I'm also on Primal and from Maelstrom.

I have a few times. One was with two alliances. Then another where it was just one alliance from each GC fighting each other.

Darn and i was just starting to get into frontlines...

Primal data center and also have more than 30 minutes queues. I hate to be the one to say it but i think people are just hunting....

30M+ here too :(

"So basically you are saying that re-queuing every minute makes things faster?"

-Yes, i tested it,please try to click "join party in progress".
I did some test about that.
I had a time wait of : 12 minutes with "join party in progress" active, I restarted the queue and It sent me on a front line started 1 minute before.
What it's means? re-queuing every minute makes things faster.

And this is wrong!! who is in queue before should enter before me.

No, Cleff is saying that solo queueing made it faster.

Yes i'm saying it too.

the person that join it the moment that the fight start is able to join an alliance and fill it = this person have the priority compared to those who are already waiting the frontlines.

And yes, you are right too!

the queue system was screwed up at the time took 151 minutes of queue before mine popped and wasnt even a down scaled match. after that it popped regularly every 10-20 mins so think duty finder was just messed up at that time