Hard Hippogryph Leather HQ

Hi guys,

after a lot of time and money my leatherworker has arrived his first big step.
Now I want to farm the artisan tools, so I have to craft 5 HQ Hard Hippogryph Leather first to get the Master 1 book.
But I dont know how to get them in HQ....
2 Star rotations I found in this forum require artisan tools but how should I have them without the book?
Is there a rotation I can get HQ Hard Hippo Leather without artisan tools?
This are my stats:
Craftmanship 358
Control 349
CP 344
Everything is fully melded, only my off hand has no Materia cause I dont have the 2 Million Gil ;(
Armorer is on lvl 5 and Blacksmith on 15. All other DoH classes are lvl 50

u guys are rly good with this so I hope you can help me.

my other questions is if anybody has a good lvl guide for goldsmith and leatherworker.

sry for my bad english but I hope it is good enough to understand me.

Wish you guys a nice day

This will require 386 CP, so you'll need HQ CP food.

40 dura 2 star Macro 1:

Part 1:

/ac "Comfort Zone"<me><wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet"<me><wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not"<me><wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II"<me><wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch"<me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch"<me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch"<me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch"<me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch"<me><wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation"<me><wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II"<me><wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity"<me><wait.2>
/ac "innovation" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch"<me><wait.3>

(if excellent use part 3, else use part 2)

Part 2:

/ac "Great Strides"<me><wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing"<me><wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"<me><wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"<me>

Part 3:

/ac "Byregot's Blessing"<me><wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"<me><wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"<me>

It's not 100%, but should be pretty close.

I'm pretty sure it will work with your craftsmanship, but you may need to check this first on a cheaper craft.

Make sure you have the x-class skills on your hotbar if you try this.

LTW was my first tool as well. Hard Hippo was pretty tough at the time, as I did not have ALC or BSM to 50. Eventually, I got there with a simple:

Inner Quiet (ToT)
SH II (ToT)
Waste Not II
Hasty
Hasty
Hasty
Hasty
SH II
Hasty
Hasty
Hasty
Manipulation
SH II
GS
Innov
Byregot's
CSII
CSII

I would simply use reclaim before the finish if I had a bad run of hasty touches. At one point on my craftsmanship melding, I was able to squeeze in another hasty after the final SHII.

There're better rotations, but you're in a similar spot to where I was, and this is how I got there at the time.

Thx for your help guys, you are my heroes. Will try it soon.
Is there a desynth guide for goldsmith or leatherworker to see which items are the best and cheapest way to lvl. Couldnt find one.

greetz

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Originally Posted by RyDarrick

Thx for your help guys, you are my heroes. Will try it soon.
Is there a desynth guide for goldsmith or leatherworker to see which items are the best and cheapest way to lvl. Couldnt find one.

greetz

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Here's a link on reddit that goes into some basic concepts of desynth + a guide on lvling goldsmithing desynth:

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/2aoh7h/patch_23_desynthesis_a_guide/

As far as lvling leatherworker, my suggestion would just go by tiers (low lv leather to higher grade leather such as raptorskin) and focus on making gear that doesn't use a plethora of mats (such as chokers/rings). Make about 5-10 pieces of those equipment to start out with for each tier, and when desnything be sure to be in the 75% + range to get decent skill/sucess rate (this is just my suggestion for I like to play it safe). Once you get to the 90%+ range, skill points star decreasing dramatically, so I recommend moving on to the next tier of leather.

I'm not an expert nor do I have super high desynth atm, but I managed to get to 60 leatherworker desynth on day of release without going much into it..I haven't touched it since but plan on going back to it soon :)

Thank you very much. This will help me a lot

I'm stuck at the same point, more or less, I just haven't gotten around to doing any HQ Hard hippo leather at all. I haven't tried yet because the mats are bloody expensive (and time consuming to farm) so i didn't want to waste any before i try. I have been making HQ Hippo leather as I get it.

I've got all my crafting classes to at least 15 so I have all those cross skills. Just curious if I should grind CRP to 50 for bygot's before I try this or not and if it's possible without it.

Desynthesizing i70 items and i80 items CAN rarely yield HQ 2star mats.
im going for the "Artisan skip" so im spamming artisan spectacles right now with HQ Spicy tomato relish and got 1 HQ Rose Gold Ingot so far.
The NQ I will use to make accessories to then desynth

If you plan on doing Desynth, this is a way to get mats before upgrading tools.

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Originally Posted by Failia

I've got all my crafting classes to at least 15 so I have all those cross skills. Just curious if I should grind CRP to 50 for bygot's before I try this or not and if it's possible without it.

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It's possible to get HQ without Byregot's but it's pretty much a crapshoot. You rely on getting some Good or Excellent, even then it's unlikely that you'll get past maybe 50% chance at HQ. The rotations mentioned above basically center around getting stacks onto Inner Quiet to make Byregot's give an enormous boost to Quality.

Hey I have a problem with the makro of this rotation. Everything works fine but after the basic touchs I have problems. When I wanna use ingenuity I get tbe message that he cant use it at the moment and it keeps going with inovation and i dont know why. Changed the wait from 2 to 3 and 3 to 4 but still the same problem.
Hope someone can help me.

greetz

Enough HP at this point?

Does it simply say that it can't execute the command at this time, or does it state that you cannot use the skill as your current class? Honestly, I'd try running through the rotation by hand and see if it still hangs up.

I feel like I'm the only person that doesn't macro these. I don't trust it. x_x

If you have the needed values for control etc. they work like a charm. Run them a few times to gain trust. If you have to craft 50 items for the 70 tools, they are quite comfortable, believe me. ;)

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

If you have the needed values for control etc. they work like a charm. Run them a few times to gain trust. If you have to craft 50 items for the 70 tools, they are quite comfortable, believe me. ;)

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I have four artisan tools. I've crafted all of the items without macros. xD

I really should just make the macros.

It says i cant execute this command at this time. If I run the rotation without the macro everything ist fine. HP is more than enough. It would be great with the makro cause I need 120 hq hypoleather for the new equipment and doing them by myself....its a pain.
And I mean the normal hypoleather not the hard. Macro isnt 100% the same cuz i dont need so much skills to get them in hq but the ingenuity part is the same

Can you copy and paste the macro your using please?

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Originally Posted by RyDarrick

It says i cant execute this command at this time. If I run the rotation without the macro everything ist fine.

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A typical cause of this issue is your wait time is too short, or server lag.

General wait under non-lag condition is
Touches = 3 second wait
Buffs = 2 second wait

If the server is lagging, add 1 more second

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I have four artisan tools. I've crafted all of the items without macros. xD

I really should just make the macros.

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I did my 1st one also completely manual. But after seeing that I ALWAYS literally did the same steps, I thought I give the Macro a go and it worked reliably. Sure, maybe you get 1 or 2 items in NQ if you have extreme bad luck with conditions but the macros are quite handy and allow you to do different things while you wait for them to finish. And if you plan to get all your DOH a 70 tool like I do, this is a future investment. I don't see me having one of 75 tools in near Future thanks to the Grind that is behind Desynthesis so I first update them all to be able to do the 3 star recepies. Good thing is, atm you don't really need the 75 tools for anything. This will change in future patches for sure but right now you are good to go for anything you can craft with the help of the 2.2 and 2.3 master books.

Oh, and good thing is, if you have your macros for the 2 star 70 tool items, you automatically have the rotation for the 3 star items. Just one difference at the end, one hasty touch less and one careful synthesis more. Can't be much more handy to be a 3 star master recipe macro crafter. :p

/ac "Comfort Zone" <me><wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <me><wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <me><wait.2>
/ac "Manipulation" <me><wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <me><wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <me><wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <me><wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <me><wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me>

I tried it with the following wait times 4,5,6,7,8,9,10 but I get always the same message so I dont think that it is an issue with the wait time

Do you have Ingenuity I set as a cross class skill?

Comfort Zone
Inner Quiet
Waste Not
Steady Hand 2
Basic Touch
Basic Touch
Basic Touch
Basic Touch
Manipulation
Steady Hand 2
Ingenuity
Basic Touch
Basic Touch
Great Stride
Byregot's Blessing
Careful Synthesis 2
Careful Synthesis 2

You will need to have 370 CP to pull it off. So use food to bump up your CP. if you are short in CP you can risk using Hasty Touch but it's too much of a risk in my opinion. Using FC action to boost your Craftsmanship and Control by 10 can help if you gear is lacking some materia.

This is what I used to get 5 HQ Vanya Silk and 50 HQ Silver Brocade for my Weaver.

This gives me a HQ chance of 90-100%.

Be very careful of Excellent condition as it can easily mess up the craft more often then help.

If you do get Excellent after Ingenuity use Byregot's Blessing.

Hope it helps.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Do you have Ingenuity I set as a cross class skill?

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Yes cause I dont have Ingenuity II at the moment.

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Originally Posted by firstsin

Comfort Zone
Inner Quiet
Waste Not
Steady Hand 2
Basic Touch
Basic Touch
Basic Touch
Basic Touch
Manipulation
Steady Hand 2
Ingenuity
Basic Touch
Basic Touch
Great Stride
Byregot's Blessing
Careful Synthesis 2
Careful Synthesis 2

You will need to have 370 CP to pull it off. So use food to bump up your CP. if you are short in CP you can risk using Hasty Touch but it's too much of a risk in my opinion. Using FC action to boost your Craftsmanship and Control by 10 can help if you gear is lacking some materia.

This is what I used to get 5 HQ Vanya Silk and 50 HQ Silver Brocade for my Weaver.

This gives me a HQ chance of 90-100%.

Be very careful of Excellent condition as it can easily mess up the craft more often then help.

If you do get Excellent after Ingenuity use Byregot's Blessing.

Hope it helps.

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Thx for this but this isnt my problem. You just read the first post I guess :)

Nobody has an idea how i could solve the problem? :(

I have just encountered the same issue, admittedly with Inner Quiet. I was modifying an existing macro having acquired a new skill which I wanted to incorporate into it. Suddenly Inner Quiet stopped working with the message Cannot be used at this time. I had only added 2 new lines above Inner Quiet which was the first skill in the original macro. Comfort Zone as line one and Tricks of the Trade as line two with Inner Quiet moving to line 3.

I tested some more and finally deleted the 'Tricks' line making Inner Quiet line two. Inner Quiet immediately started working again.

Why it stopped working I have no idea and why deleting the line above it made it suddenly work again, again a mystery.

If you are unable to reorganise your macro to move Ingenuity to a different line ( worth a try I suppose ), trying splitting your macro into 2 parts with Ingenuity as the first line of part 2.

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Originally Posted by Mikal52

I have just encountered the same issue, admittedly with Inner Quiet. ... Tricks of the Trade as line two with Inner Quiet moving to line 3.

I tested some more and finally deleted the 'Tricks' line making Inner Quiet line two. Inner Quiet immediately started working again.

Why it stopped working I have no idea and why deleting the line above it made it suddenly work again, again a mystery.

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IQ didn't stop working, the error is from ToT which can only be executed upon GOOD condition.

If you want to test it, do a LONG wait on ToT, say 10 secs, and see if you get the error.