Question about FF14 Expansion

So I've been looking around for news on what's going to come with the upcoming expansion, but there isn't much to see yet, at least until Final Fantasy Festival. What I'm wondering is, how much should our current classes and jobs change, in terms of tweaking gameplay, making changes etc. in the upcoming expansion.

http://www.playerattack.com/news/201...-realm-reborn/

-I finally found this article which has Yoshi P mention how they have expansion plans to change the leveling system and the main system (probably referring to stats) but it was hidden away beneath all the other articles regarding E3 and some of the things he mentions here never did come up at E3, at least as far as I know. I'm hoping this change is larger than just stats.

No one knows.

Higher level cap and new skills

They might change things drastically, but they might not. I know that they've mentioned a few times the 'inconvenience' of SMN/SCH sharing attribute points and how that's looking like a problem to them now if they were to release new jobs from existing classes. I think they're regretting a few of the inflexibilites of the current armoury system. Aside from that, there should be a 5-10 (I'd guess 10) level cap increase, new skills/ traits to go with it, I suppose 1 more cross class slot for jobs (and 2 for classes), a new egi or 3 for SMN, new areas -- likely Ishgard and surroundings, which I suppose would be more of Coerthas, maybe Ala Mihgo and surroundings. It's all speculative, of course, because as you said they haven't revealed much of anything yet.

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Originally Posted by Nutz

They might change things drastically, but they might not. I know that they've mentioned a few times the 'inconvenience' of SMN/SCH sharing attribute points and how that's looking like a problem to them now if they were to release new jobs from existing classes. I think they're regretting a few of the inflexibilites of the current armoury system. Aside from that, there should be a 5-10 (I'd guess 10) level cap increase, new skills/ traits to go with it, I suppose 1 more cross class slot for jobs (and 2 for classes), a new egi or 3 for SMN, new areas -- likely Ishgard and surroundings, which I suppose would be more of Coerthas, maybe Ala Mihgo and surroundings. It's all speculative, of course, because as you said they haven't revealed much of anything yet.

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If they follow in XI's footsteps in the level cap increases...it'll be a five level increase.

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Originally Posted by Rex

If they follow in XI's footsteps in the level cap increases...it'll be a five level increase.

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FFXI did it with patches, not just expansions, so if they want to do it with just expansions 5 might be too low and they might want to go with 10, which means 5 expansions for 99, which sounds right.

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Originally Posted by Rex

If they follow in XI's footsteps in the level cap increases...it'll be a five level increase.

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with FFXI the cap was increased to 75 with Rise of the Zilart. because I didnt start till the official release of the PS2 version of the game in the US, I would venture to guess they did the actual increase in small patches starting with and after the expansion to help balance things out

I read that there might be some big changes to the Class/Job system. They want to make things more flexible for ease of new content releases and possibly doing away with the class/job entirely. He was pretty cryptic.

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Originally Posted by kiraan

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/122...edia-Interview


Last year when Scholar was introduced at E3, it was mentioned that it would branch off from the same class as Summoner, and this would be a mechanic that would be used more, but it has yet to happen for any other class. You haven’t announced anything yet, but are there any other plans to introduce anything like this? For example, another swordsman besides Paladin?

Well, we need to look into this and whether we want to keep that plan, it’s something we have to consider as we add new jobs and classes. One of the more difficult things with the system is that when a job is derived from a class, it's tied to the class's actions. Also, when we make multiple jobs from one class, the weakness with having multiple jobs branch out of one class without being able to freely switch stats around is exposed. This wasn’t a problem initially because both of those jobs were simultaneously added and it was planned from the start, but now we have to carefully think about this. One thing we could consider, for example, is a hybrid job derived from more than one class, but it may change depending on what we want to add. The number of jobs will increase even further with 3.0 (the expansion pack), and at that point we might decide on an entirely new mechanism, so please hang on for further details.

Do you think the current armory system is limiting some interesting design choice for future jobs? What kind of improvement would you like to see?

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

FFXI did it with patches, not just expansions, so if they want to do it with just expansions 5 might be too low and they might want to go with 10, which means 5 expansions for 99, which sounds right.

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Not always true. Everquest commonly released content expansions that didn't raise the level cap. And in Everquest 2 they even started raising the level cap in 2 or 3 level increments with content expansions in between.

Other MMOs did 10 level increments and shot themselves in the foot for it. 10 levels of content is a lot of overworld questing that has to be put in. Those are large areas that have to be designed. When you limit the raise to 5 or lower, you can put more focus on 'end game' which is normally dungeons and such. In fact imagine if all the time they spent making 2.0 they spend on just content for level 50 characters. Look at how much content you would actually have?

I'm a big fan of low increment level caps for this reason. We get more to do in the long run. Because lets face it. Only a handful of players actually sit and enjoy the ride to the top. The top is where the game usually opens up. And because of this, when you play Everquest or Everquest 2.. you have dozens of dungeons per level range, rather than 2-3, or in FFXIV's case, just a single dungeon ever 3-4 levels.

We don't know, please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

I read that there might be some big changes to the Class/Job system. They want to make things more flexible for ease of new content releases and possibly doing away with the class/job entirely. He was pretty cryptic.

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I think the class system should just be removed entirely, and job souls allow use of other abilities from other jobs, etc. I dunno. I think the class/job system is more of a hassle than its worth.

Additional jobs I'd love to see in the expansion are Samurai, Geomancer, Dark Knight and Engineer(Chemist)

I think we'll get a 10 level increase in the expansion.

That would make for at least 2 job-specific abilities if they keep going with the "new job-skill every 5 level from job quest" thing. IMO 1 wouldn't be enough, 2 sounds just fine to me.

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Originally Posted by Estevo

So I've been looking around for news on what's going to come with the upcoming expansion, but there isn't much to see yet, at least until Final Fantasy Festival. What I'm wondering is, how much should our current classes and jobs change, in terms of tweaking gameplay, making changes etc. in the upcoming expansion.

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The only thing I think they should add is a new healer and tank job to go with the new DPS job SE added.

The attribute solution is actually pretty simple and it wouldn't require a overhaul of the job or class system as many people think, instead of allowing us to put points into our attributes they could just make the attributes determined by the class and job you are playing. So basically you lose the freedom you have with the attributes but you'll be playing in a even field when it comes to stats.

I wanna know the price.

Will the price be worth it if the content that comes with the expansion is the amount of a update or a little more.

There game content patches where it adds things here and there and can be new lvl cap...... then there expansions that normally adds a LOT of new things and changes up the story or pushes the game in another direction. Look at WoW or L2..... you have the major expansions then you have the mini game updates.

Most likely FF14 will take the WoW/L2 approach hopfully

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Originally Posted by HeroSamson

I wanna know the price.

Will the price be worth it if the content that comes with the expansion is the amount of a update or a little more.

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No news on the price yet, but I remember an interview where Yoshi said that the expansion will be as big as the game was at launch.
Maybe someone else has the source?

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Originally Posted by Telvorei

I think the class system should just be removed entirely, and job souls allow use of other abilities from other jobs, etc. I dunno. I think the class/job system is more of a hassle than its worth.

Additional jobs I'd love to see in the expansion are Samurai, Geomancer, Dark Knight and Engineer(Chemist)

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I think it worked in 1.0 with the base character level and the class levels coupled with the more openly customizable skill sets but now in 2.0 it really feels they tried to keep to the old system for the sake of it and to try to do something new. I kinda liked 1.0 how there was your characters level then your classes level. I dont mind the class into job advancement, I think the only problem is trying to keep the class relevant after you get your job. There is really no need for the class once you get your job stone, not even for solo leveling.

A) Keep classes but have them "evolve" into the job, not something you can switch in and out of (this would allow for advanced jobs later down the road)
B) have weapons be like gear (where a sword is for the GLA, PLD, RDM, BLU)
C) no longer link weapons to the class. Make classes as a list you can choose from.
D) Having classes as a list, like the gearsets (have it save your gear that way too), would allow for more possibilities and less restrictive.
E) keep the "sub-class" requirement for evolving from class to job
F) Relax the cross class skill restrictions.

I'm sure if I gave this more though I could flush it out better but I welcome a change in 3.0

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Originally Posted by Nutz

They might change things drastically, but they might not. I know that they've mentioned a few times the 'inconvenience' of SMN/SCH sharing attribute points and how that's looking like a problem to them now if they were to release new jobs from existing classes. I think they're regretting a few of the inflexibilites of the current armoury system. Aside from that, there should be a 5-10 (I'd guess 10) level cap increase, new skills/ traits to go with it, I suppose 1 more cross class slot for jobs (and 2 for classes), a new egi or 3 for SMN, new areas -- likely Ishgard and surroundings, which I suppose would be more of Coerthas, maybe Ala Mihgo and surroundings. It's all speculative, of course, because as you said they haven't revealed much of anything yet.

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It would be somewhat silly to just go up ten levels when we are at iLevel 115 at the moment, Id like to see how they deal with all this vertical progression.

For those that were talking about amount of content here is the quote:

Yoshi-P: "What I can tell you now is that with this expansion we hope to have at least the same amount of content that was released in 2.0. As for story wise"

That was taken from http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/g...re/8606/page/2

I really wasn't too worried about amount of content. Playing ff11 for a long time back in the day, each expansion always brought huge things to the table so I expected that trend to continue. My main concern is with variety, with such a rigid trinity mindset I wonder how much they can really twist and variate on that theme. However, Yoshi-P and crew haven't let me down yet so I do have a lot of faith in them. I guess you could say....I'm...."looking forward to it."

I'm just gonna go now....

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

with FFXI the cap was increased to 75 with Rise of the Zilart. because I didnt start till the official release of the PS2 version of the game in the US, I would venture to guess they did the actual increase in small patches starting with and after the expansion to help balance things out

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Not to mention it stayed at 75 for many years and expansions. RoZ, CoP, ToAU, WotG all had the same level cap from that first expansion. Honestly, I'd prefer this over a 5-10 level cap increase each expansion. Development-wise, this would ease the strain on future expansions to create harder content, and focus on more horizontal/interesting content. The game is doing a good job with horizontal options along with the vertical, so I'd like to see that trend continue. I would like to be able to continue comparing gear and deciding which ones fit a build better, as opposed to just looking at ilvl and assuming.